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A Longer Life or More Stuff?

  • A longer life

    Votes: 7 87.5%
  • More Stuff

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • Total voters
    8

PJmomrunner

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The Choice: A Longer Life or More Stuff
(from The New York Times)
By DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: September 27, 2006
The most authoritative report on the cost of health insurance came out yesterday, and it?s sure to cause some new outrage.

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Kaiser Family Foundation reportThe average cost of a family insurance plan that Americans get through their jobs has risen another 7.7 percent this year, to $11,500, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. In only seven years, the cost has doubled, while incomes and company revenue, which pay for health insurance, haven?t risen nearly as much.

These spiraling costs ? a phrase that has virtually become a prefix for the words ?health care? ? are slowly creating a crisis. Many executives have decided that they cannot afford to keep insuring their workers, and the portion of Americans without coverage has jumped 23 percent since 1987.

An industry that once defined the American economy, meanwhile, is sinking in large measure because of the cost of caring for its workers and retirees. For every vehicle that General Motors sells, fully $1,500 of the purchase price goes to pay for medical care. ?We must all do more to cut costs,? G.M.?s chief executive, Rick Wagoner, said on Capitol Hill this summer while testifying about health care.

Mr. Wagoner?s argument has become the accepted wisdom about the crisis: the solution lies in restraining costs. Yet it?s wrong. Living in a society that spends a lot of money on medical care creates real problems, but it also has something in common with getting old. It?s better than the alternative.

To understand why, it helps to look back to a time when Americans didn?t worry much about health care costs. In 1950, the country spent less than $100 a year ? or $500 in today?s dollars ? on the average person?s medical care, compared with almost $6,000 now, notes David M. Cutler, an economist who wrote a wonderful little book in 2004 titled, ?Your Money or Your Life.?

Most families in the 1950?s paid their medical bills with ease, but they also didn?t expect much in return. After a century of basic health improvements like indoor plumbing and penicillin, many experts thought that human beings were approaching the limits of longevity. ?Modern medicine has little to offer for the prevention or treatment of chronic and degenerative diseases,? the biologist René Dubos wrote in the 1960?s.

But then doctors figured out that high blood pressure and high cholesterol caused heart attacks, and they developed new treatments. Oncologists learned how to attack leukemia, enabling most children who receive a diagnosis of it today to triumph over a disease that was almost inevitably fatal a half-century ago. In the last few years, orphan drugs that combat rare diseases and medical devices like the implantable defibrillator have extended lives. Human longevity still hasn?t hit the wall that was feared 50 years ago.

Instead, a baby born in the United States this year will live to age 78 on average, a decade longer than the average baby born in 1950. People who have already made it to their 40?s can now expect to reach age 80. These gains are probably bigger than the ones the British experienced in the entire millennium leading up to 1800. If you think about this as the return on the investments in medicine, the payoff has been fabulous: Would you prefer spending an extra $5,500 on health care every year ? or losing 10 years off your lifespan?

Yet we often imagine that the costs and benefits are unrelated, that we can somehow have 2006 health care at 1950 (or even 1999) prices. We think of health care as if it were gasoline, a product whose price and quality have nothing to do with each other.

There is no question that the American medical system does suffer from a lot of waste, be it insurance industry bureaucracy or expensive procedures that haven?t been proven effective. But the No. 1 cause of the cost increases is still the one you can see at the hospital and in your medicine cabinet ? defibrillators, chemotherapy, cholesterol drugs, neonatal care and other treatments that are both expensive and effective.

Not even most forms of preventive care, like keeping diabetes under control, usually save money, despite what many people think. The care itself has some costs, and, more important, patients then live longer than they otherwise would have and rack up medical bills. ?When I make this point, people accuse me of wanting people to die earlier. But it?s exactly the opposite,? Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a researcher at Stanford Medical School, told me. ?If these expenditures are keeping people alive, it?s money well spent.?

As Dr. Mark R. Chassin of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York says, ?You almost always spend money to gain health.? Of course, the opposite is also true: the best way to reduce health care spending is to reduce health care itself.

Which is exactly what we?re starting to do. The growing number of families without health insurance are, in effect, families who have been kicked off the country?s health care rolls. Many will go without available treatment, will get sicker than they need to get ? and will thereby save the rest of us money. They are what now passes for a solution to the health care mess.

The current situation is indeed unsustainable, a point that the conventional wisdom has right. The cost of health insurance can?t keep doubling every seven years, and wasteful spending ? the brand-name drugs that are no better than generics, the treatments that haven?t been proved to extend lives or improve health ? does need to be reined in.

But far too much of the discussion has been centered on this narrow idea. Somehow, going to the mall to buy clothes has come to be seen as a vaguely patriotic way to keep the economy humming, and taking out a risky mortgage is considered to be an investment in one?s future. But medical care? That?s just a cost.

It?s easy to be against high costs, and it will no doubt be hard to come up with a broad health care solution. But the way to start is by acknowledging that an affluent society should devote an ever-growing share of its resources to the health of its citizens. ?We have enough of the basics in life,? Mr. Cutler, the economist and author, points out. ?What we really want are the time and the quality of life to enjoy them.?
 
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P.J. one of our members started a thread on how some US employers are combating the high cost of insurance, it even includes an expenses paid overseas trip. :eek: Here is the link. http://www.valvereplacement.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17215
I always struggle to understand how the US can spend 15% of GDP on health costs and yet have a lower life expectancy that Australia that spends 10% of GDP on health. This is 50% more. US life expectancy https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/us.html Australian life expectancy https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/as.html It appears that US medical costs are greatly in excess of other western countries from members posts and others sources I have read, where does the money go? :confused:
 
If I have a longer life, I'll get more stuff.

I'm not at all convinced that health care prices are actually rising. I do firmly believe they are artificially inflated to reflect more costly care. I hope you follow me on this. Insurance companies are billed X amount of dollars. They only pay between 65 and 75% of the billed amount. All we see is the billed amounts, not what was actually paid. Now the hospital needs something, so they bill more for the same service, then in turn, the insurance companies raise premiums to cover the so called increase in costs. I especially love hospitals that use the line NON PROFIT. Oh really, how do they keep the doors open and bring in new technology? The problem is, we the people, haven't been keeping up with the system of checks and balances and have left the money gluttons pull the wool over our eyes and they are getting away with it. Case in point:Aultman Hospital where I go. They scream that they aren't making money and are nonprofit, yet they've built 5 satellite offices, made an addition on to the hospital and are in the process of adding another $10 million dollar expansion. Sure some of the money comes from pork barrel ear marks, but what about the rest? Interesting I do believe.
 
Well, I am not one for statistics but, just off the cuff, I would say that the expenses of all the treatments available today has to come from somewhere. All of the members here are prime examples of expenses that didn't exist in 1950 as the techniques did not exist. If we just add up the surgical costs for all members, the numbers would be staggering.

So, is $100K (or whatever) too much to pay for OHS? Certainly depends on who you ask. I say yes because I want to live. Someone who is healthy and has the nerve to think they will never be ill might disagree.

Could we do better to manage costs - probably. Where to start - who even knows which is why things are probably somewhat out of control. This brings to mind my local school district. For many years, instead of just trying a little harder to manage the budget, they just kept raising property taxes. The homeowners finally got tired of having a tax rate that cost us almost 3% of our unadjusted property value. We stopped voting for the levies. So they started to cut back on things they thought would "hurt" the most like transportation thinking we would give in. We did not. They then started to actually target renters since they figured renters didn't care because they only had a set retn increase each year. Didn't work either. Eventually they had to actually start managing costs better and, wonder of wonders, they are able to pay the bills with what they have.

The point I am trying to make is that managing health costs (in lieu of simply raising insurance rates) is a necessity and will happen once things are so expensive health starts to suffer more. We are already there somewhat and I expect changes will be coming. I only hope the management starts before the "hurting" does.
 

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