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PairoDocs

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Hello All,

A quick summary: On 12/9/07 I felt a series of peculiar PVCs--previously had diagnosis of mild MVP with mild regurgitation since 1997--which was followed by a fluttery feeling in my left carotid artery. My wife, a family practice physician, felt it may have been a heart attack, so by that evening I went to a local ER. Heart enzymes normal, EKG normal, but X-ray of lungs showed shadows suggestive of pulmonary fibrosis; I was then sent home. Difficulty catching breath during the night kept me up. Then I started coughing up blood. Next visit to ER I was diagnosed with pneumonia (102° fever and elevated white blood cell count) and admitted to the hospital, but I had extra symptoms that puzzled the doctors, until my wife and another doctor who used to be my primary care physician back before I even met my wife (was a college chemistry professor at the time) both concluded that there was a heart component. I was admitted and went into cardiogenic shock the next day (12/11) and was aggressively diuresed by the on call cardiologist until I was stable (barely) enough for Life Flight (helicopter ambulance) to Boise, where I was in critical condition and was in surgery 40 minutes after arrival. I'll tell the rest of the story in the appropriate posting area.

Diagnosis was flail mitral valve. I was opened by medial sternotomy and my mitral valve was repaired with annuloplasty and reinforced with a Dacron ring. My heart was otherwise given a clean bill of health including absolutely no sign of even incipient atherosclerosis and completely normal other valves. I was so sick with the pneumonia combined with the pulmonary edema from the cardiogenic shock I was given 15% chance of dying despite the surgery and about 50% chance of lasting brain damage or other disability. I beat those odds by the grace of God.

I was left intubated an extra day due to the lung problems, but thanks to a good cough (yes used the coughing pillow bear) I was able to clear my lungs and was breathing room air within three days. Was able to ascend and descend stairs on the fourth day much to the delight of the physical therapist.

Got a "Sir-Koff-Alot" teddy bear for use during coughing and sneezing--I carefully avoided sneezing by pressing fingers in my nostrils in a certain way for six weeks. At first the progress was good, but my heart rate, which was in the low 80s in the hospital, gradually rose through the 90s and stabilized near 100 bpm. At first I could walk several miles and eagerly looked forward to full resumption of normal activities, but lately my endurance has fallen way off. My bpm briefly reached 115 minimum resting pulse a few days ago and we switched from Troprol to Cardiazem, and now I'm experiencing possible symptoms of pericardial effusion--dry cough, narrow BP readings: 110/90, and many episodes of moderate shortness of breath. My belly is also bulging outward in an uncharacteristic way. Strangely, I don't seem to have as much trouble with shortness of breath when carrying buckets of water for my chickens, feed sacks, or my kids, as I do when I have normal conversations. If anything makes me anxious for some reason I tend to become really short of breath and have to sit down wherever I am. I'm afraid to pursue aerobic exercise now. I had tried a piece of aerobic exercise equipment when my resting pulse was about 100 and went to 152, but the rate did not go below 120 for two days after this (three days ago). Since then it has gone down to high 90s with Cardiazem, but the other symptoms I mentioned have gotten worse.

I hope this type of post is okay for this forum, as I'm depressed, but my wife is frequently in tears about me. She, as a trained physician with ER experience, had seen my very critical readings both before and shortly after surgery. In her experience (18 years) she had never seen anyone recover from the telemetry she saw on me, but the ICU doctor told her I was actually improving. I was unconscious of course, but she saw it all. Every time I get even a slightly bad day she falls to pieces and cries a lot. She's not normally a weepy person, but since the surgery it seems that she, not I, has developed PTSD and has flashbacks. How do I help her, and are my pericardial effusion symptoms severe enough to go to the ER or wait for a scheduled appointment with the cardiologist this Monday?

Is it okay to try to do aerobic workouts, such as running or using a Health-Glider clone exerciser or trampoline? Or should I cautiously sit it out? I need to take down two display cases full of precious opal Sunday night, and am wondering if it's safe for me to do so. Lifting restrictions are off and I experienced no pain during the table and case setups--I assembled 15 cases and about 5 tables for the show and was able to drive 18 miles back home afterward. I slept over 10 hours last night and was weak and somewhat short of breath all day today--the reduced BP range started today, too.

How bad is the procedure for draining the pericardium if it's necessary to do so?

Thanks ahead of time for any tips or pointers you may have to help with the recovery issues.
 
It certainly sounds like fluid build up to me. If this is the culprit, draining it will give you quick positive reliief. I was unconscience when they did mine, so I'll let others elaborate on the procedure itself.

Try not to get depressed. It doesn't do any good and actually is harmful to you. I know it's much easier said then done, I have many issues myself, but we gotta try.
 
Wow, you've been through it, haven't you! No doubt, like Ross said, other members here, with somewhat similar experience, will post here soon. I'm glad you found the site; welcome to it. I wish I had something helpful to say for your wife but I think my reaction would likely be similar to hers, if my husband were the patient; it's possible only time will help her ease through all of this terrible shock. There is a forum here for family members too; perhaps reading others' experiences will help also. Hopefully once this fluid issue smooths out and/or is resolved, you'll progressively have more good days. If this thread slips down the thread list, don't hesitate to bump it up with a followup post, okay? Best wishes to you and your wife as you work through this; and please post again.
 
Hi and Welcome,

My husband is in his post surgery stage too and I've been through a lot with him, but nothing, nothing like your wife has gone through. And of course with her knowledge of what was really going on.... Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

I know the day of Tom's surgery was one of the hardest days of my life. His surgery was approximately 10 hrs long and after the cardiac nurse went off duty, I was in the dark about what was going on. The surgeon finally came out after his surgery, around 11:30pm.

As you know, you're wife is still responding to what happened and is probably fearful about the future. It would probably be helpful if she could speak with a counselor/clinician regarding her fears. Maybe it's good that she is crying and not in denial.

I sympathize with you both and encourage her to speak with a professional and to also get on the forum. There is so much help here.

Take care, Judith
 
First off, welcome to the VR community. Sorry for the circumstances but glad you found us.

I had a pericardium drain. First they tried using a very large needle. That didn't work and to be honest it was quite unpleasant. They only give you a mild sedative and local anesthetic so you are awake for the whole thing. Despite the local, I could feel it penetrating. Frankly, if I ever had to do it again and they gave me options, this wouldn't be my first choice. Instead, I would choose what they did next....put me under and surgically inserted a drain tube, just like the one they insert during the OHS. That worked much better and was easier to cope with. The only down side is you have another scar.
 
Wow. Sounds like the past 3 months have taken quite a toll on you and your family. You've come to a good place to help you and your family put things in a reasonable and manageable perspective.

I mostly wanted to make a quick comment about the pericardial effusion drain. First, you'll read again and again that everyone has different experiences so I certainly respect anyone who states an opinion that differs from mine. I do want to offer to you that my experience with the pericardial drain (using a big needle) was NOT painful. Yes, I could feel an uncomfortable pressure as the blood was pulled out of my pericardium but I would not call it painful and the sense of relief outweighed any discomfort I was feeling. It helped that the doctor was awesome... he "talked me through" the whole procedure (I had a local, not general anesthesia). He drained about 700-plus ccs of blood out of my pericardium (picture 2 large zip lock bags). The procedure took about 30 minutes. I would not want to ever have to repeat that 30 minute experience but I've had more stressful and painful experiences in a dentist's chair. I had instant relief following the PE drain procedure.

My hope is that you do not have pericardial effusion. But if you do and if a drain is attempted, I hope your experience is similar to (or better than!) what I experienced. Best of luck and please let us know how things turn out for you.

Steve C.
 
Some of these posts reminded me of a Ross recipient's experience with something like this--from over a year ago--but evidently it was diagnosed as cardiac tamponade. If you might be interested to read that thread and the followup posts, here is the link: http://valvereplacement.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19150&highlight=drain

Also, you very well may know about the search features on this site, where you can click on "Search" and then click on "Advanced Search" and type in your subject. A few members here have recently dealt with post-op effusion issues, if their first-hand experiences might also be helpful/encouraging to you and your wife.
 
You should ask your wife if she would like to participate here too. I am a wife (although my husband has passed a little over a year ago, after a many, many years struggle with very difficult multiple medical problems related to rheumatic heart disease), and there are several others.

I was with my husband when he recovered time and time again after several heart and lung surgeries.

Things do happen during the recovery process. It's a difficult surgery which invades the very engine of the body and makes it darned "mad", with all that poking around and cutting. Your doctors will know what to do for you, especially those that deal all the time with people who have had heart surgery.

Many people here have had various kinds of effusions, and have had it taken care of and they came out just fine.

If you cannot breathe, it certainly is appropriate to go to the ER and have them do some tests, and see where you are at with things.

By the way, depression after heart surgery is a VERY common thing. It usually passes after things calm down and you start to become more active and live more normally.

Your wife loves you very much and is merely reacting to your problems because of that. She also has a lot of experience in the medical field, and sometimes that can work against one emotionally. But she would have lots of built in friends right here.

I can tell you that I have seen my husband recover from so many, many things, some life threatening. It is never easy, but believe me when I say that the human body wants to heal, recover and get back to normal. I know because I've seen it.

But in order to get on with healing, you have to get proper care for yourself, if it means going to the ER, then by all means go. Why hang around being miserable.

And above all,--

Never give in, and never give up.

You will get back to a regular life, you will heal, you will be active again.
 
Thanks everyone for your encouragement and support--it helped ease my mind a lot about things. Today was better than yesterday despite my very short sleep last night (5 hours). I had lots of people praying for me. I was able to help out significantly with the taking down of the rock and gem show cases and tables--including helping to carry some of them several hundred feet to an outdoor trailer, plus putting away my opal displays. (A good friend, another member of my club only 10 years older than me, has had excellent results with his heart, but his sternum healed so poorly he still can't lift more than about 30 lbs. even after two years--I have much to be thankful for. He couldn't even help with the taking down of the show equipment.) I didn't even feel significantly out of breath any time today. My resting pulse is still in the high 90s, and oddly even after physical exertion of carrying the tables, it quickly returned to about 100 within less than 5 minutes--a lot of change from my last exertion on the Health Rider exercise machine mentioned in my first post.

The bulging belly problem I had last night is much less (I can suck in my gut; last night I could not) and I was able to inhale over 4000 mL on my incentive spirometer tonight. Despite the hard work today, I'm also much more alert and cheerful in attitude. Nothing's perfect, though. I'm still concerned about the elevated pulse despite the Cardizem (diltiazem), and my coughing--a little bit less than yesterday. My blood pressure is 120/88 tonight, better than the 110/90 I had last night. The pulse pressure is improved (32 vs 20 mmHg) from last night. What that means is my heart isn't being inhibited in its beating as much as it had been yesterday. It still isn't the nice 108/68 pressure I had a few weeks ago, though.

My wife is encouraged and it has been a much happier less stressful day today, except the kids were little pills, especially my 4yo daughter, the instigator--got her 7yo brother into lots of mischief. He now has blue spruce pitch stuck in his hair and my wife had to cut out some of it tonight--despite my wife's repeated admonitions to not climb the tree at all--daughter egged him on--rest is history. They actually behaved at a restaurant we went to after the rock show equipment had been put away--they were ravenous and well-behaved lest we leave early without letting them finish their dinners.

Last night I couldn't read continuously to the kids when putting them to bed--my wife noticed many pauses as I panted to catch my breath every other sentence I read to them. Tonight I was able to read continuously without pausing for each kid and was able to both whistle together with my son and sing with both children their "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" bedtime song.

I'm either just in a better frame of mind, or am having a miraculously rapid resolution of the pericardial effusion--some answered prayer perhaps? I won't know for sure until I see the cardiologist tomorrow--unless I wake up feeling so fantastic (heart rate steady 80s or lower) I decide I don't need to go. Just to be on the safe side, I'll probably go anyway--my wife originally had the appointment--and I may need to encourage her to keep it. She has a murmur and was tentatively diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension several years ago. She has since lost over 120 lbs., but needs follow up anyway. If I feel well enough, my original appointment was March 28th, and I may just keep it instead. What do you all think? Should I go to the cardiologist tomorrow instead of my wife in light of today's improvements? Or should I just wait until March 28th and encourage my wife to keep the appointment instead?

I'll keep everyone posted as to what happens next, whether I get completely back on track for recovery or if the effusion is still there and I just was extended a little grace for today--lots of frail elderly people in my club who had to do a lot of work today--and needed all the help they could get. Thanks again for all the helpful advice and honest portrayals of what I may experience if the effusion (if still there) needs to be drained or treated with medication. My wife my join the group, too and start posting when she gets some time--I'll try to talk her into it. I certainly hope she doesn't have to start posting on the pre-surgical forum, though. There's that chance, but I hope that with her weight loss what little heart trouble there had been will have resolved (her pulse is a nice steady 60 beats per minute--I'm soooo jealous!). Actually I'm glad for her. :)

Thanks again for the warm welcome. I'll be back and eagerly await the next posts.
 
Glad you are feeling better. I had a large effusion which showed up 8 weeks after surgery. I'm not sure why, because at the time I was completely clueless and didn't even know what questions to ask, but my doctor decided not to treat with surgery, but gave me Prednisone instead. It took a while for the fluid to completely go away, and it actually got worse before it got better. If I hadn't been on Coumadin, he would have treated me with Ibuprofen.

Prior to surgery, my resting heart rate was 88. Ten years later, it is around 84, even though my heart has returned to normal size.

Hope things continue to improve. Remember, it takes about a year before you really feel normal again.
 
"She has a murmur and was tentatively diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension several years ago."

This caught my eye, re: PH. Joe had PH. His was severe, and his PH specialist put him on Tracleer. It turned the PH around from severe to mild-moderate. He did have to go off it after several years on it, due to liver function problems. But for many, Tracleer works well. There are also many other treatments coming down the pike for PH.

Here is a link to the PHA website. It helped us a lot. They have a forum there too.

http://www.phassociation.org/
 
The--Almost--All Clear....

The--Almost--All Clear....

As promised I discussed the situation with my wife about who would take the appointment, and I did it. My blood pressure was measured by the RN at 120/92 standing and 108/88 sitting, and heart rate was 112. The cardiologist listened and heard no rubs (bad sign if present) and, despite the rapid rate, things sounded normal to him. He was concerned enough to order a 'limited' echocardiogram. It would be 45 minutes before the equipment and technician became available so my wife and I took a walk of about 2/3 mile while waiting (didn't get out of breath during the walk much to both of our reliefs). Interestingly, when we measured my pulse immediately upon return from the walk my rate was 104 and 106.

When I got the echocardiogram the technician let me see the results live and, due to her many years' experience, she interpreted the results as she saw them, though it would not be 'official' until the cardiologist saw the results and basically tell me the same things she did--except in much less detail. I'm a scientist--I like the details. :) She first pointed out that my repaired mitral valve was working perfectly with trivial regurgitation (she pointed out the Doppler red-blue color coding and how little blue relative to red appeared above the mitral valve while alternating blue and red was the rule in my left ventricle below it). While the cardiologist did not order an ejection fraction determination for this 'limited' echo, the technician and my wife both agreed that my left ventricular movement was normal, as was the appearance of the valve functions of the other three valves. From the front my right ventricle didn't seem to expand as much during diastole as the left one did, but I didn't attach any significance to that observation at first.

The upper part of my heart showed very little pericardial effusion, less than before, but at the base of my heart there was more fluid buildup--about 1-2 cm thick in places, resulting in a rating of a "small" pericardial effusion. There was a definite effect on the motion of my ventricles, most particularly my right ventricle--this became very apparent when the technician shifted the probe to look up at the bottom of my heart (where the greatest effusion was found).

I had been made aware of a bizarre phenomenon that seems to very frequently occur after any sort of open heart surgery: post-operative septum. Before surgery the septum generally expands and contracts in step with the rest of the heart, but after surgery it takes up a sort of dancing sinusoidal wiggle that reminds me of the Tacoma Narrows bridge constructive resonance dance (early stage well before its famous final collapse). It was isolated from the rest of my heart movement, though my right and left ventricle seemed to be beating a hair out of step with each other.

This echo from the bottom looking up perspective shows that my right ventricle participates in my 'post-operative septum' dance. Its wall pulses in rolling movements from side to side (really from front to back to front again) at least a centimeter amplitude while moving about 3 cm back and forth--all the while pushing my pericardial effusion fluid (not blood, but some sort of watery serum) back and forth like some cardiac washing machine. At least my heart is nice and clean. :) My left ventricle expands and contracts much more symmetrically.

The technician told me that the bizarre movement I saw was in part due to the pressure from the effusion, and the cardiologist was not concerned about it really at all, either. It had no adverse functional significance and my pulmonary function in the cardiologist's opinion was completely normal--even my coughing has settled down somewhat today.

There is a change in medication, too. Yes, he confirmed some abdominal edema (10 lbs. rapid weight gain over the past week) and has prescribed 40 mg Lasix (furosemide), and a different calcium channel blocker from the diltiazem I had just started last week: Verapamil (80 mg to start with 3 times a day, 40 mg if BP goes too low). The diltiazem wasn't really working, so yet another trip to the pharmacy...
Also 20 mEq potassium chloride to keep up with the loss from the diuretic. The Lasix is supposed to be for only 5 days. This should get rid of the extra fluid. It will be nice to fit into my smaller sized clothes again.

I'm still cleared to pursue aerobic activity to my maximum tolerance, and my cardiologist was so unconcerned, he didn't even bother to request a mandatory follow-up appointment, only that I should call if there is any problem. As for the events of two to three days ago, we now think that I may have had a virus of some sort, and was just simply ill--the effusion symptoms just becoming much more noticeable than before. The only independent signs of there really being an affect is the edema, the narrow pulse pressure readings, the rapid pulse, and the actual finding of fluid in the echo.

Thanks for all the support and kind words. I really appreciate it. I'll read the other forums and see if there is any way I can be of some help. For now the BITR seems to have resolved somewhat. I don't face long needles or chest tubes in my near future--by God's grace--or a few really powerful knocks on a forest of trees made up of a whole lot of wood.

One last thing. My wife's heart condition is benign at the moment so having her appointment on March 28th didn't concern the cardiologist that much. She has no symptoms of heart difficulties right now--just a few PVCs here and there, and a murmur that I can barely hear through her stethoscope.
 
Very glad to read that things are looking up!

And I find it very interesting to read such detail from a patient/physician viewpoint. Echos are just shadows to me. Glad you found the site. Take care!
 
Glad you are feeling better, just wanted to wish you the best of luck, take care
 
Effusion is officially gone!

Effusion is officially gone!

I just went in for my "six" month (really 8 months) followup echocardiogram. I was nervous about the effusion, whether it stayed or not. Daphne, the techinician showed me everything. The first thing she showed me was that she could not find any effusion whatsoever! :D

The next was that my bizzare heart motion (post surgical septum wiggle, collapsing right ventricle, low ejection fraction, small pressure range) was completely gone. I was sort of expecting to see that wiggle persist in my septum, but it was almost still. My right ventricle and left contracted nicely in step, and my left ventricle is still normally shaped despite a few missing chordae. The extra chordae apparently are enough to keep the ventricle shaped normally.

My mitral valve is so well healed now, its regurgitation is basically between none and an occasional trivial bit here and there. Aortic valve is perfect (Whew!). Right ventricle, however, has a bit of residue from my backward pulses and extreme pulmonary hypertension (wedge pressures equal to systolic pressures). This caused some mild pulmonary valve insufficiency--my poor heart trying to force a little blood to my lungs--and finding the vessels already full nearly to bursting! :confused: The tricuspid valve also has some trivial to mild regurgitation--a hair bit more than before the surgery, but otherwise movement normal. The technician has seen this before and she believes that the pulmonary valve will probably heal more over time--it looks better than the previous echo.

I hope this is true. Has anyone else had damage to other valves from a primary failure of a valve? Do the others recover in time once the bad valve is repaired or replaced? Or does the damage linger?

Chris
 
I hope this is true. Has anyone else had damage to other valves from a primary failure of a valve? Do the others recover in time once the bad valve is repaired or replaced? Or does the damage linger?

Chris

Hello Chris. For my husband's condition, he had a failing mitral valve that became so bad it roped in his tricuspid valve, which began failing to the extent that he had a 70% regurgitation through both of those valves prior to surgery.

The surgeon repaired the tricuspid valve with an annuloplasty ring and he has a very faint murmur remaining. Dr. Douthit explained that it's a difficult valve to repair and seemed very happy with the result.

So, to answer your question, yes he had secondary valve failure due to primary failure of the mitral valve. Yes, it did resolve, but required surgical intervention to do so. I would think that the question of whether or not your secondarily damaged valve will "right" itself is contingent upon how it was damaged (e.g., is it a chordae issue?).

Your cardiologist or surgeon should be able to answer that question. Vaguely. As in, "well, I've seen this in a few patients and in those cases the results were all different..." :)
 

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