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I had a bit of conduit put in myself. A big aorta did it. I fortunately picked Dr Ivey, a surgeon who was flexible in action to overcome what ever may occur. With the On-X and a bit of garden hose needed as a surprise it still went well. This part really depends on the skill of the surgeon so how good the valve is, I think is really secondary to how good the surgeon is. I hear todays valves are all great and have been for decades now. :) All Big improvements over the basketball and hoop of years ago.
 
It's always a difficult decision to decision to make the choice between a tissue and mechanical valve. Sometimes, when considering a mechanical valve that choice can be even more difficult, depending on the flexibility of the surgeon. I had my surgery recently,for an AVR re-do +/- aortic root replacement. I had talked to the surgeon about the ON-X, but he had never used one before, so given the extra difficulty of my op, I swayed with the St. Judes conduit if it was avr + root replacement and ATS if not. (his valve choice).

All of us have our opinions, and all of the companies have very strong but different marketing strengths, so sometimes it is difficult to get through all the dust to understand what is real and what is not.

The only real piece of independant research that I have come across is a little dated (2003) but is a comparative study looking at the performance of the On-X in the aortic and mitral positions.

There were 400 patients involved in the study.

In terms of the aortic valve, it says: " In summary, there are clinically no relevant differences among the most commonly used bileaflet aortic valves."It does also say however (just before):" Furthermore, lack thrombosed valve in the aortic position deserves attention for On-X valves. The lack of tissue overgrowth and hemolytic anemia in this series were also gratifying. Unique leaflet guards and the length of the valve orifice may provide a barrier to pannus overgrowth."
The whole issue of the anti-coagulation study with the On-X is one everyone continues to watch very closely. One may ask themselves: "Is 'aspirin only' a distinct possibility with this valve, or perhaps it will turn out to have been, directly or indirectly, a very clever piece of marketing that made the product enticingly more attractive to the patient, than those sold by it's competitors."

That is not to say that even if the outcome is such, that the ON-X will not still be as good, or probably even have an edge on it's competitiors in terms of overall performance.

During this particular study there were 3 late thrombotic episodes at 9, 19, and 24 months, with the INR levels below 1.4 in all those 3 patients.
The patients were 2 MVR and one DVR.
That made me wonder about the whole prospect of no anti-coagulation / Aspirin only. (Aspirin & Plavix together, I understand, pose an increased risk of bleeding as well).
The way my surgeon put it was: "If there was one superior valve, then we would all be using it. The fact of the matter is, there is very little difference between all of the mechanical valves."

That said, if the outcome of the anti-coagualtion study proves successful, then ON-X could be the one for all.
Incidently,for the ATS and St.Judes, our recommended INR is 2-2.5. I assume that's a European guidline for AVR's. I think the Mitral is maybe 2.5 - 3.0/3.5.

http://icvts.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/icvts.2005.114843v1
 
Hi all,

Thanks for more information from all of you. It has really helped a lot in how to proceed.
I met my surgeon on friday and he is soooo great. He made it so simple and I feel really good about the outcome which is that he chooses during surgery.
Even if he has done mostly StJude he feels comfortable with the On-X as well which he has also done a bunch of.

Both valve are good valves as I see it now - the StJude regent which the hospital is using is also quit new and as I understood it needed FSA approval when it came and according to StJude also has hopes of no Coumadin in the future.
Important to me is good capacity and that means that I want as high a diameter as possible - but of course without having to force/push it in place.
Since this is the second time around for me it is hard to say how much scartissue will be and that will decide the valve. I have 25mm now.
On-X is the first choice in 25mm but the On-X might be harder to put in place which makes the 25 mm StJude the second choice therafter I guess it is back to an 23mm On-X or lastly a 23mm StJude.
Surgeon will have them all on the table and have his pick.
It feels so great - he is awesome.
So on tuesday it is time for a day at the hospital and on wednesday - the 30th it is time.

See you on the other side of the mountain.
Swede
 
I am happy to hear you will get a valve you are comfortable with so matter which direction is necessary.

Chances are you will end up with a valve larger than 25mm. My original mechanical was 25mm and my replacement mechanical is 29mm. This was due to a lot of scar tissue around the site which had to be cut away for the the new valve to seat properly.

Both the On-X and St. Jude are great valves and you cannot go wrong with either.
 
Glad that you came to a decision and are happy with the surgeon. Put you on the calendar for January 30th. Godspeed.
 
Hi Swede,

I know all will go well for you on the 30th (my birthday):) . You will be in our prayers. Curious..what happened to the valve that is being replaced?

God Bless,
 
Swede said:
Hi all,

Thanks for more information from all of you. It has really helped a lot in how to proceed.
I met my surgeon on friday and he is soooo great. He made it so simple and I feel really good about the outcome which is that he chooses during surgery.
Even if he has done mostly StJude he feels comfortable with the On-X as well which he has also done a bunch of.

Both valve are good valves as I see it now - the StJude regent which the hospital is using is also quit new and as I understood it needed FSA approval when it came and according to StJude also has hopes of no Coumadin in the future.
Important to me is good capacity and that means that I want as high a diameter as possible - but of course without having to force/push it in place.
Since this is the second time around for me it is hard to say how much scartissue will be and that will decide the valve. I have 25mm now.
On-X is the first choice in 25mm but the On-X might be harder to put in place which makes the 25 mm StJude the second choice therafter I guess it is back to an 23mm On-X or lastly a 23mm StJude.
Surgeon will have them all on the table and have his pick.
It feels so great - he is awesome.
So on tuesday it is time for a day at the hospital and on wednesday - the 30th it is time.

See you on the other side of the mountain.
Swede

Swede,

There is a Very Interesting one page article on the St. Jude Regent Valve in _The Journal of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery_ for June 2005, page 1446.

It would be wise for you and your surgeon to read and discuss this article. A copy of this article was forwarded to your office e-mail address and a 'not in office until March xx' return was received.

'AL Capshaw'
 
Hoping all goes well for you! Take care and post again when you can.
 
Back on track

Back on track

Hi all,
All is well. And am now out of hospital at a "half way-house" 8- greatful for the correct english word).
Surgery was great - awesome surgeon - I read the file and procedure was just as I wanted.
I ended up with a 25 mm St Jude -- the ON-X needed to much force to be put in place.
Hospital staff is so great - same as last time - I even recognised some of the nurses - which are all so nice. Surrounded by angels.
Thanks for your thoughts and help.
Will try to stay away from the key-board but will keep posting later.
Swede
 
Holly !"#¤%&/()

Holly !"#¤%&/()

Found the article and it was a nice scare - I feel like the sheriff in smokey and the bandit where the OOOOMMMMM counter goes beserk.
No seriously it is not that bad - Of course it would have been good to have known in advance but I am quite OK anyway - the hospital does 1300 AVR a year and with one of their absolutely most senior surgeons I must quite simple trust them - if not that is a later problem. Its not that much I can do now.
I will definetly do some yoga and relaxation tonight though.
Swede
PS
Will keep you posted on the surgeons response.
 
Sounds like things are going well for you. Very glad to hear it. Take care and post again.
 
Swede said:
Found the article and it was a nice scare - I feel like the sheriff in smokey and the bandit where the OOOOMMMMM counter goes beserk.
No seriously it is not that bad - Of course it would have been good to have known in advance but I am quite OK anyway - the hospital does 1300 AVR a year and with one of their absolutely most senior surgeons I must quite simple trust them - if not that is a later problem. Its not that much I can do now.
I will definetly do some yoga and relaxation tonight though.
Swede
PS
Will keep you posted on the surgeons response.
Swede, good to hear you are fine.
Please do not be scared by that article....it does not make any sense to let yourself be upset by one article from Norway based on 3 people. Those 3 had tissue bulging in the valve hinge and it was switched immediately. There is not nearly enough detail to warrant panic. So where is the big scare.:confused:
Don't waste another minute on this.
The Regent valve is widely used with great success, enjoy it.:)
 
Bina said:
Swede, good to hear you are fine.
Please do not be scared by that article....it does not make any sense to let yourself be upset by one article from Norway based on 3 people. Those 3 had tissue bulging in the valve hinge and it was switched immediately. There is not nearly enough detail to warrant panic. So where is the big scare.:confused:
Don't waste another minute on this.
The Regent valve is widely used with great success, enjoy it.:)

I agree with you Bina. There is no reason for panic, especially after the fact. People always need to remember to take what is said here and what the read with a grain of salt. Eat the fish but spit out the bone so to speak. I don?t see how negative valve publicity of a valve after some has had it implanted serves any good purpose.

Swede?enjoy you?re your new valve. I wish you many years with good service from it as I do for all members with all types of valves.
 

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