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erin

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First off - I think this is an incredible resource, thank you!! :)

A little background:
I'm in my early 20s. In March I went to my GP because of shortness of breath, fatique, and chest tightness. The symptoms come on with physical exertion - mainly stairs. My GP did a holter monitor which showed tachycardia and sent me to a cardiologist who found the BAV. The aortic valve was leaking moderately when they did the echo, so they say it is not causing the symptoms and they will continue to monitor it. They've ruled out any electrical problems with my heart. They've also ruled out thyroid problems.

I'm starting to get a little frustrated about not having a diagnosis and having to put my life on 'slow' while going through this process (plus a bit of a fear it may be related to the BAV and they won't catch it).

I'm going back to the EP tuesday...are there any conditions I should ask about? Any questions I should ask in general?

My blood pressure fluctuates...it was rather low during echo...could this change the echo any significant amount? should I ask about this?

Thanks for all your help!!
 
Erin if your having those kind of symptoms and the echo only shows moderate leakage, they should be doing additional testing. If they do not, find another Cardiologist and get the proper testing. This would include, stress test, gamma camera imaging, Catheterization and perhaps a Transesophageal Echo.
 
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Erin I am with Ross, If you are having symptoms and you have tachycardia I would want to know why they think your valve isn't the cause. Tachycardia is one of the symptoms of a heart that is struggling with a BAV! :)
 
Hi Erin,
I agree with those above who say you need more tests to rule out your heart as the cause of your symptoms. However, I also have BAV and had similiar problems while still at a moderate level which turned out to be allergy related and I was able to keep my native valve for another 10 years. So, keep pushing to get a full workup on your heart but there could be another cause. Best of luck, Kate
 
If you are experiencing bouts of tachycardia arrhythmia, they will make you tired all by themselves. Add it to the moderate aortic regurgitation (leakage) and I could see those symptoms occurring. Everyone's response to valve problems is different. Some folks feel symptoms very early on, others don't have much of any symptoms right up to the surgery. You may be sensitive.

Keep your echo results. Particularly compare your Left Venticle (LV) sizes over time (usually expressed as LV diameter measurements). My guess is the LV may be slowly enlarging from stress, but just hasn't reached the upper limits of "normal" by the cardiologist's scale.

If your heart is of small to moderate size, it can grow significantly before it hits those generic measurements on his chart. This early enlargement (hypertrophy) may still cause part of your symptoms. Perhaps the cardiologist is discounting this in your symptoms, because you haven't yet reached the magic number that indicates "enlarged" status

Tachycardia is normal. It just means that your heart increases the speed of its beating when you exercise. This is to provide the extra oxygen needed for your muscles to perform their chores.

Tachycardia arrhythmia (which you have) is pretty much the same thing - except the pulse rate is elevated without the exercise, or continues long after the exercise has ceased. It's a lot of work for your heart. Over time, your heart's rapid beat actually becomes less efficient for transferring oxygen, as the chambers may not fill completely between beats. It causes chest pain and fatigue and may cause lightheadedness, fainting (syncope) or shortness of breath (dyspnea) in some cases.

The tachycardia can even be part of your heart's response to the regurgitation, speeding up the beat to deliver more oxygen short-term. It's not the most common response, but each person's body handles things differently.

Certainly, tachycardia is linked to stress, overwork, and overtiredness. If you're lacking sleep, or have a habit of not knowing when to quit working or playing, you need to correct those things in your lifestyle. Also, cut down on caffeine, which increases your heart rate. Try to lose weight, if you have extra (like most of us do). In general, lowering salt intake is a good idea, especially now that everyone thinks he has to "season" everything as he cooks it, and does so ineptly.

As far as how the leakage works, consider the flow process of the left half of your heart. Relate your heartbeat to its sounds: lub-dub, lub-dub, lub-dub.

lub... Oxygenated blood from the lungs is waiting in the left atrium. The left atrium squeezes, pushing the blood through the mitral valve into the left ventricle. The mitral valve closes, trapping the blood in the left ventricle, and keeping it from leaking back into the left atrium.

...dub. The left ventricle squeezes, and the trapped blood is pushed through the aortic valve, into the aorta. Then the aortic valve closes, so the blood can't flow back from the aorta into the left ventricle.

The percentage of blood from the left ventricle that is pushed out into the aorta is called the ejection fraction (EF), and it's used as a measure of the efficiency of your heartbeat.

The right heart operates similarly, simultaneously with the left heart. The tricuspid valve takes the place of the mitral valve, and the pulmonary valve is in the place of the aortic valve. The right heart is normally less strong and developed, as it only pumps blood to the lungs for oxygen, not to the rest of the body.

The aorta is the large artery leading from the left ventricle of the heart to the rest of the body. Aortic regurgitation (AKA insufficiency or leakage) means that when the aortic valve is supposed to be fully closed in the scenario describe above, blood is still leaking - regurgitating - back through it from the aorta into the LV. This results in there being insufficient blood to completely fill the aorta after the heartbeat. In this way, regurgitation causes, and is often termed, "aortic insufficiency."

In BAV, the leakage is often caused by the valve no longer fitting together tightly to close completely. In some cases, mineral deposits (apatite, which is mostly calcium) interfere with the leaflet movement when the valve tries to close. If those deposits become large enough to block or narrow the path of the bloodflow or thicken the leaflets so that they can't move properly, the flow restriction is called aortic stenosis (AS). Some people with valve disease only develop stenosis. Many people develop both issues.

Aortic insufficiency cuts down on the volume and force of the oxygenated blood being delivered to the brain, heart, and body from the heartbeat as well. Various triggers in the body, including the kidneys, signal that they aren't receiving adequate oxygen. To make up for it, the heart must beat more often and/or more forcefully. Usually, the left ventricle, which is the strongest chamber of the heart, begins to squeeze harder during the beat, and may even "hold" slightly, to keep more of the blood in the aorta after the beat.

From this extra workload, the LV begins to develop muscularly, as any muscle would. This is called ventricular hypertrophy. When it develops evenly, it's termed to be concentric (this is a good thing, if you're going to have LVH at all). Devoted atheletes develop this naturally from their intense training, particularly cyclists.

As the muscle tissue of the LV begins to enlarge, its efficiency does as well. For a while, this is a successful tactic for the heart, and the ejection fraction (EF) returns to normal (50%-65%). This is like you improving your grip by squeezing a tennis ball. If you then try to squeeze juice out of an orange, you will easily get a glassfull from the powerful action of your now-athletic grip.

LVH reaches a plateau from an athlete's exercise, with an ejection fraction that may go up to 75% and still be healthy. Unfortunately, with valve disease, two things tend to occur over time. The valve regurgitation and/or stenosis increases, and the LV growth continues in response. Initially, this will increase your EF, perhaps up to 75% or more, and seem like a good thing.

Unfortunately, as the LV continues to become more bulky and muscular in valve disease, it begins to lose its mechanical advantage because of its size. Consider that your hand has now grown to the size of Arnold Schwartznegger's. Now place a cranberry in your palm, and try to squeeze the juice out of it. You can't get any squeezing force, because the hand is so large in comparison to the fruit. The cranberry just "disappears" in your palm.

When your heart gets to this stage, the EF begins to drop dramatically, and you head toward congestive heart failure. Fortunately, this whole process takes years, and valve surgery is usually done long before this happens.

Although we can't know the exact degree from your post, your aortic regurgitation is rated as moderate, so it's not unlikely that your left ventricle has begun to expand. However, if you have no other heart problems, you could have years to go before the situation is concerning enough to have surgery. A lot of it depends on the speed at which your regurgitation is developing, if at all.

There may be value to more testing, but of the TEE and the cath, I would consider either a cardiac catheterization or a TEE, rather than both. Another option is an MRA (MRI for the heart and arteries). Personally, I'm no fan of stress tests, unless there is a known structural or functional abnormality to be understood. However, your doctor should guide you.

Best wishes,
 
Thanks for the information!!! :)

I?ve stopped caffeine and cut back on activities, stress, and exercise. This seemed to help a bit, but certainly isn?t a lifestyle I?d like to keep. I?m in grad school ? so it is really hard to slow down.

I had a TEE performed, but my heart was beating too fast to get an accurate view of everything. The dr. who performed it said I have moderate regurgitation on the bicuspid aortic valve and mitral and tricuspid valve prolapse with mild and trace regurgitation respectively. He said they would probably perform a catheterization to get a better view of everything ? which my cardiologist decided against. :confused:

My original cardiologist transferred me to an adult congenital cardiologist who said the symptoms are not from the BAV and that the prolapse is of no significance. He sent me to the electro physiologist who performed an EP study which came back negative. My next appointment with the cardiologist is not until October.

I?m going back to the electro physiologist to discuss next steps on Tuesday. They?ve mentioned scheduling a tilt table test. Just getting the EP study scheduled and getting back into the electro physiologist has taken all summer ? so I?d like to be prepared on Tuesday and make sure I ask all the right questions. I?d appreciate any and all input on how to get this show on the road! :D

Kate ? I?d be interested to know more about how they connected your symptoms to an allergy. Was that your cardiologist?

Ross, Bob ? I had been pushing for them to do a stress test because I thought that would be the best way for them see and record the symptoms and diagnose the problem. My cardiologist said a stress test wouldn?t be of much value in someone my age and my electro physiologist said it wouldn?t provide them with additional information since they already have my holter readings. I know there are different types of stress tests ? which would you recommend (or is there another test I should be pushing for)??

Sorry this turned out to be a little long ? I am so anxious to get to the bottom of this and start working on fixing it!

Thank you all again!
 
Sorry. As I've said in many postings in the past, I'm no fan of stress tests, unless they are testing for a particular, known structural/functional abnormality of which they are already aware.

They're not very reliable even in the most competent of hands (e.g., Bill Clinton's passed-with-flying-colors stress test at Columbia, two weeks before angina caused him to go in for obstructed coronary arteries). For a number of valve situations, the ACC and AHA advise their doctors against using them altogether.

If your cardiologist is saying a stress test won't be of much value, tell him thank you, and consider yourself blessed. I think of some of the people here who've been put through them when they were in terrible shape, just for CYA, and it makes me fume.

I think that, with your doctor's advice, you should take the kind of stress test that involves you staying at school, studying for an exam in the morning, and no other.

Best wishes,
 

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