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tobagotwo

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New genetic research seems to show that about 60% of people have a gene that seems to make statins work well for them, and which may be a link between statins, risk, and heart events.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120096559471905225.html?mod=health_home_stories

What about the other 40%? No word yet, but it might explain some of the polarization of responses to statin treatments.

Best wishes,
 
Thanks for finding and posting this, Bob. I especially found the last sentence very telling:
Bristol-Myers sponsored the original statin trials and provided access to the DNA for two of the current papers, but neither Bristol-Myers nor Pfizer funded the new analysis, which Celera paid for.
 
Thanks, Bob. My husband went on something 6 months ago and his numbers came way down. Guess he's got the good genes! He is currently changing habits and working out hoping to get off of them soon.

As for me...I'm stubborn and am still trying the natural route. My most recent new habit is a bowl of cereal (the puffed wheat-like Kashi) every morning with Silk soy milk instead of cow's milk (and some dried blueberries tossed on for anti-oxidant power!). You can now get Silk which has been fortified with the Omega fatty acids. (also another with glucosamine for those needing joint relief). That and 10 raw almonds a day, and lots and lots of salmon.....I guess I'll be checking my cholesterol in April so we'll see!

It does take a while to get used to the taste of the Silk, but you honestly do get used to it. And for me, with my lactose intolerance anyway.....it's been nice to be able to have cereal again.

Thanks for the link.

Marguerite
 
Fascinating reading there...I am very happy with the much lower Cholesterol numbers I have now thanks to a Statin...

I wish it were easier to read between the lines of these studies but nonetheless hopefully they will lead to better care and more options for us the patients.
 
Agree 100% Phyllis about how statins are overprescribed. I've posted before about my 92 year old mama being put on statins...:eek: I told her doctor it was "overkill" and he ended up agreeing with me, so she's not taking them.

Thanks for posting the studies and as before, I continue to remain suspicious of statins and the doctors doling them out like candy.
 
I was reading on the American Cancer website that statins ...such as Lipitor and Crestor....are helping reduce the risk of certain cancers...such as colon and lung, I believe. Just read it today. :D
 
This appeared in today's NY Times op-ed section:




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January 27, 2008
Op-Ed Contributor
What’s Cholesterol Got to Do With It?
By GARY TAUBES
THE idea that cholesterol plays a key role in heart disease is so tightly woven into modern medical thinking that it is no longer considered open to question. This is the message that emerged all too clearly from the recent news that the drug Vytorin had fared no better in clinical trials than the statin therapy it was meant to supplant.

Vytorin is a combination of cholesterol-lowering drugs, one called Zetia and the other a statin called Zocor. Because the two drugs lower LDL cholesterol by different mechanisms, the makers of Vytorin (Merck and Schering-Plough) assumed that their double-barreled therapy would lower it more than either drug alone, which it did, and so do a better job of slowing the accumulation of fatty plaques in the arteries — which it did not.

Heart disease specialists who were asked to comment on this turn of events insisted that the result implied nothing about their assumption that LDL cholesterol is dangerous, only about whether it is always medically effective to lower it.

But this interpretation is based on a longstanding conceptual error embedded in the very language we use to discuss heart disease. It confuses the cholesterol carried in the bloodstream with the particles, known as lipoproteins, that shuttle that cholesterol around. There is little doubt that certain of these lipoproteins pose dangers, but whether cholesterol itself is a critical factor is a question that the Vytorin trial has most definitely raised. It’s a question that needs to be acknowledged and addressed if we’re going to make any more headway in preventing heart disease.

To understand the distinction between cholesterol and lipoproteins it helps to know something of the history of cholesterol research.

In the 1950s, two hypotheses competed for attention among heart disease researchers. It had been known for decades that cholesterol was a component of atherosclerotic plaques, and people who have a genetic disorder that causes extremely high cholesterol levels typically have clogged arteries and heart attacks. As new technology enabled them to look more closely at lipoproteins, however, researchers began to suspect that these carrier molecules might play a greater role in cardiovascular disease than the cholesterol inside them. The cholesterol hypothesis dominated, however, because analyzing lipoproteins was still expensive and difficult, while cholesterol tests were easily ordered up by any doctor.

In the late 1960s, biochemists created a simple technique for measuring, more specifically, the cholesterol inside the different kinds of lipoproteins — high-density, low-density and very low-density. The National Institutes of Health financed a handful of studies to determine whether these “cholesterol fractions” could predict the risk of cardiovascular disease. In 1977, the researchers reported their results: total cholesterol turned out to be surprisingly useless as a predictor. Researchers involved with the Framingham Heart Study found that in men and women 50 and older, “total cholesterol per se is not a risk factor for coronary heart disease at all.”

The cholesterol in low-density lipoproteins was deemed a “marginal risk factor” for heart disease. Cholesterol in high-density lipoproteins was easily the best determinant of risk, but with the correlation reversed: the higher the amount, the lower the risk of heart disease.

These findings led directly to the notion that low-density lipoproteins carry “bad” cholesterol and high-density lipoproteins carry “good” cholesterol. And then the precise terminology was jettisoned in favor of the common shorthand. The lipoproteins LDL and HDL became “good cholesterol” and “bad cholesterol,” and the lipoprotein transport vehicle was now conflated with its cholesterol cargo. Lost in translation was the evidence that the causal agent in heart disease might be abnormalities in the lipoproteins themselves.

The truth is, we’ve always had reason to question the idea that cholesterol is an agent of disease. Indeed, what the Framingham researchers meant in 1977 when they described LDL cholesterol as a “marginal risk factor” is that a large proportion of people who suffer heart attacks have relatively low LDL cholesterol.

So how did we come to believe strongly that LDL cholesterol is so bad for us? It was partly due to the observation that eating saturated fat raises LDL cholesterol, and we’ve assumed that saturated fat is bad for us. This logic is circular, though: saturated fat is bad because it raises LDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol is bad because it is the thing that saturated fat raises. In clinical trials, researchers have been unable to generate compelling evidence that saturated fat in the diet causes heart disease.
The other important piece of evidence for the cholesterol hypothesis is that statin drugs like Zocor and Lipitor lower LDL cholesterol and also prevent heart attacks. The higher the potency of statins, the greater the cholesterol lowering and the fewer the heart attacks. This is perceived as implying cause and effect: statins reduce LDL cholesterol and prevent heart disease, so reducing LDL cholesterol prevents heart disease. This belief is held with such conviction that the Food and Drug Administration now approves drugs to prevent heart disease, as it did with Zetia, solely on the evidence that they lower LDL cholesterol.

But the logic is specious because most drugs have multiple actions. It’s like insisting that aspirin prevents heart disease by getting rid of headaches.

One obvious way to test the LDL cholesterol hypothesis is to find therapies that lower it by different means and see if they, too, prevent heart attacks. This is essentially what the Vytorin trial did and why its results argue against the hypothesis.

Other such tests have likewise failed to confirm it. A recent trial of torcetrapib, a drug that both raises HDL and lowers LDL cholesterol, was halted midstream because the drug seemed to cause heart attacks and strokes rather than prevent them. Estrogen replacement therapy also lowers LDL cholesterol, but it too has failed to prevent heart disease in clinical trials. The same goes for eating less saturated fat.

So it is reasonable, after the Vytorin trial, to question the role of LDL cholesterol in heart disease. Not whether statins help prevent heart disease, but whether they work exclusively, or at all, by this mechanism.

There are numerous other ways in which statins might be effective. They reduce inflammation, which is now considered a risk factor for heart disease. They act to keep artery walls healthy. And statins act on lipoproteins as much as on the cholesterol inside them. They decrease the total number of low-density and very low-density lipoproteins in the blood, including the smallest and densest form of LDL, which is now widely believed to be particularly noxious.

Because medical authorities have always approached the cholesterol hypothesis as a public health issue, rather than as a scientific one, we’re repeatedly reminded that it shouldn’t be questioned. Heart attacks kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year, statin therapy can save lives, and skepticism might be perceived as a reason to delay action. So let’s just trust our assumptions, get people to change their diets and put high-risk people on statins and other cholesterol-lowering drugs.

Science, however, suggests a different approach: test the hypothesis rigorously and see if it survives. If the evidence continues to challenge the role of cholesterol, then rethink it, without preconceptions, and consider what these other pathways in cardiovascular disease are implying about cause and prevention. A different hypothesis may turn out to fit the facts better, and one day help prevent considerably more deaths.
 
To echo and reinforce your sentiments, Phyllis, I'm reprinting this I wrote about a week ago, in the earlier Zytorin thread...
tobagotwo said:
...it's to be remembered that cholesterol levels are an indicator of risk, not a certainty of plaque. While there is cholesterol in arterial plaque, there are also lipids (fatty substances), broken cell parts, even some calcium and other bodily materials. Everyone has cholesterol, but not everyone has significant plaque, including many people with rather high cholesterol. There's more to it than that.

There is clinical proof that some statins can lower your chances of a heart attack. The reason given for prescribing statins is usually high cholesterol. One of the effects of statins is to lower cholesterol.

However, it's a faulty leap of logic to then assume that statins work solely by lowering cholesterol. It's very likely not the case, and these study results would tend to agree that it's not. It's more likely that high cholesterol can be a side effect of the plaque-forming process, and that the mechanism that causes statins to interfere with the plaque formation process also reduces some of its side effects - including elevated cholesterol levels.

There are other measurements that also go along with the likelihood of plaque formation, including inflammation markers. As far as ischemic strokes, triglyceride levels are now starting to be considered a better marker than LDL cholesterol levels. There is still a ways to go before the true villain in this drama is identified.
Very gratifying to read Gary Taubes' piece: it's nice to feel mainstream once in a while...

Best wishes,
 
Very gratifying to read Gary Taubes' piece: it's nice to feel mainstream once in a while...

I knew you would like this Bob and I always consider you mainstream and value your research and your opinion!
Phyllis
 
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