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pellicle said:
Queensland, Australia

It's got a few meanings relevant to my life

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: a thin skin or film: such as. a : an outer membrane of some protozoans (such as euglenoids or paramecia)

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apart from liking that camera I felt that the idea of a pellicle mirror was interesting because partly it transmits what on the other side of it and partly it reflects the vision of the looker back to themselves.
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Thanks for sharing the info re pellicle. I find it so interesting how folks come up with certain names for forum use.
 
Kathmack said:
Thanks for sharing the info re pellicle. I find it so interesting how folks come up with certain names for forum use.
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its indeed an interesting subject. I thought about it a bit when I sought to find a name for myself (which indeed goes back 30 years now). I wanted something which I would not cringe at years from then. So I dug into my own history and professional studies to pull out that which I felt I could identify with, yet something which allows me to distance myself from identification and thus attack.

Some further examples (which I also knew about) which stem from the original.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellicle
 
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pellicle said:
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the USA ...



sure, everyone acts in their own interest ... nobody does anything altruistic ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America
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I've pointed out our record of regime change to many jingoistic Americans. Some happened before WW2. I'm not arguing any of that nor for the United States being perfect. Just saying better than the alternatives.
I've never seen a lot of evidence showing religious people being better behaved than non believers.....
 
pellicle said:
perhaps you forgot you asked me for examples?

What kind of discussion is this Mr Barnard?


just trading quips?

I'm out
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Was just curious what examples you were referring to I wasn't arguing their validity. Usually when an accusation like imperialism is lodged the accuser gives an example. The United States is NOT a Christian country. The majority may belong to that religion, although the percentage is dropping precipitously, I believe the United States was one of ( if not the) first country with a constitution declaring no official religion back in 1787. Religious fanatics always have louder voices so regardless of what a percentage of domestic yahoos say or an outsiders interpretation we're not " a Christian nation".
 
cldlhd said:
we're not " a Christian nation".
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Out of interest, which god is it?
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cldlhd said:
That's not official. That part was added by the Catholics during the commie freakout in the 50's to try to differentiate between us and the godless commies. It has no legal meaning or power, unlike the separation of church and state in the Constitution.
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I believe it was added to our currency around that time as well.
 
cldlhd said:
That's not official.
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really ... not official? Recent (50's) I know, but not official? I'd like to see your evidence.
Here is mine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_"under_God"
On October 6, 1954, the National Executive Committee of the American Legion adopted a resolution, first approved by the Illinois American Legion Convention in August 1954, which formally recognized the Knights of Columbus for having initiated and brought forward the amendment to the Pledge of Allegiance.​

but as you know, I'm not American so I don't know for sure.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/godinamerica-white-house/
So perhaps you can see why as an outsider that it could be misunderstood that America was a Christian Nation.
 
pellicle said:
really ... not official? Recent (50's) I know, but not official? I'd like to see your evidence.
Here is mine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_"under_God"
On October 6, 1954, the National Executive Committee of the American Legion adopted a resolution, first approved by the Illinois American Legion Convention in August 1954, which formally recognized the Knights of Columbus for having initiated and brought forward the amendment to the Pledge of Allegiance.​

but as you know, I'm not American so I don't know for sure.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/godinamerica-white-house/
So perhaps you can see why as an outsider that it could be misunderstood that America was a Christian Nation.
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Generally speaking, if it’s not in the Constitution or codified in some written law that does not violate the constitution, then it’s not official. Neither the American Legion nor the Knights of Columbus are lawmaking bodies. They’re fraternal organizations. It’s a tradition, but one doesn’t have to pledge allegiance to the flag to be an American.

Admittedly, even some Americans are confused by this and debate about standing for the pledge in schools continues.
 
Superman said:
Generally speaking, if it’s not in the Constitution or codified in some written law that does not violate the constitution, then it’s not official.
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somehow what I read suggested to me it was codified.

So (save me from listening to various swear ins) are people (oh, say Donnie) saying it?

Thanks for the clarifications.
 
pellicle said:
somehow what I read suggested to me it was codified.

So (save me from listening to various swear ins) are people (oh, say Donnie) saying it?

Thanks for the clarifications.
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Sometimes, “So help me God” is added, but not required per the constitutional oath of office taken by the president.

I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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In fact, the oath of office for congress, as prescribed by the constitution includes the following:

but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
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pellicle said:
really ... not official? Recent (50's) I know, but not official? I'd like to see your evidence.
Here is mine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_"under_God"
On October 6, 1954, the National Executive Committee of the American Legion adopted a resolution, first approved by the Illinois American Legion Convention in August 1954, which formally recognized the Knights of Columbus for having initiated and brought forward the amendment to the Pledge of Allegiance.​

but as you know, I'm not American so I don't know for sure.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/godinamerica-white-house/
So perhaps you can see why as an outsider that it could be misunderstood that America was a Christian Nation.
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There's always a push and pull but legally there is no official religion. Which, IMO, is a good thing. You're well versed in the subject of religion so surely you realize that the ardently religious like to push their views on others, proselytizing writ large. Jefferson and Paine paid some lip service to appease some of them but where the rubber meets the road they got it right.
Don't get me wrong if someone is a believer that's fine with me I just feel that everyone should be entitled to their own beliefs and the government should stay out of it as much as possible.
P.S. did Donnie actually put his hand on the Bible? And it did it burst into flames? Well that's the best evidence I've seen in a while against the story being true....
 
cldlhd said:
Was just curious what examples you were referring to I wasn't arguing their validity. Usually when an accusation like imperialism is lodged the accuser gives an example. The United States is NOT a Christian country.we're not " a Christian nation".
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While we are not be led by a religious faction, we were indeed a Christian based and created country and are still perceived as such. While the large makeup of the population has diversified in their religious beliefs, with growing agnostic and atheist sectors we still have large roots in Christianity. Maybe not as much as many others country such as South America or EU, but very much still Christian. (I am biting my tongue not to make my personal dig at this here and will be nice and leave it at that.)
 
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