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skeptic49

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When I last saw my cardiologist in August 2008 for my yearly echo, I learned that my aortic stenosis had progressed from mild to moderate during the past year after having remained about the same since first diagnosed in 2004. The difference in valve area was a loss of between .4 and .7 cm2 between June 2007 and August 2008. I was asymptomatic (I thought, in denial,) with only the typical getting winded easily complaint that many of us with valve disease experience. My cardiologist left me with the advice to return to see him in a year, but cautioned me that if I developed any dyspnea, syncope, near syncope or chest discomfort I should immediately seek medical attention.

When I got copies of my echocardiograms from 2007 and 2008, and looked at the numbers I realized that if the rate of progression of the stenosis continued unabated, I would quickly fall into the severe stenosis category. I could develop severe symptoms at any time. Not content to wait for the onset of severe category symptoms, I resolved to talk to a surgeon. My primary question would be about the timing of surgery: should I wait for the onset of severe category symptoms?

I am fortunate to live near a major heart center, the University Of Pennsylvania Hospital. An acquaintance who had AVR had given me the name of his surgeon several years ago. My own research confirmed that this surgeon Dr. Joseph Bavaria, is a well known and highly respected practitioner, so I made an appointment to see him.

Yesterday ( November 20) I finally met with Dr. Bavaria. I gave him copies of my echos. I was highly impressed with his ?take charge? approach to my situation. He reassured me from the start: ?We?ve got a handle on your situation,? and answered my primary question before I even had a chance to ask him: ?We KNOW when to pull the trigger,? he said - and he actually used those words. Who in the waiting room doesn?t want to hear that? What a big relief already. He explained that although my ?numbers? where technically still only in the ?moderate? range, because I?m a ?big guy? (I?m 6?5? and weigh 228) my stenosis could already be effectively severe. I had not encountered the whole body area factor in my own research. He did some valve area calculations with his nurse practitioner that I did not understand. The bottom line is that, with the recent quick rate of progression of the stenosis, it may be time for surgery already, especially if there is any coronary artery blockage requiring grafts. That would be a sure ?trip,? meaning surgery immediately, he explained. He suspects that the valve is bicuspid, contrary to previous echos, and there is the possibility of an aortic aneurism. He ordered a series of tests: echo; CT Angio chest; chest X-rays; blood work including Coumadin and Heparin related tests; EKG, etc., and set a follow up for one month, so I?ll see him again in late December. I had the echo right after my visit with Dr. Bavaria. Echo techs aren?t supposed to tell you anything, but I did watch the screen and he was quite conversational. We both saw some sort of mass on one of my aortic valve leaflets. ?Could that be calcium?? I asked. ?Could be,? he responded. Seems like I did all this not a moment too soon!

So, for those in the waiting room, take note the stark difference in the two approaches here. My cardiologist advised me to come back in a year unless I developed severe symptoms. The surgeon is much more proactive, ordering additional tests and considering the possibility of surgery in the short term. It almost seems to me like once a cardiologist finds moderate or progressive stenosis, he ought to consider his job done and refer the patient to a surgeon. For those ?in the waiting room,? the advice of Al Capshaw and others is spot on, it seems to me. Only a surgeon can cure valve disease. If you want to know when to ?pull the trigger,? see a surgeon.

Jim

 
Hi Jim .... glad you took the proactive approach.... I was fortunate enough to have a cardiologist who is "trigger happy":D.... when I first started seeing him he said I was in the gray area ... on one of my checkups I mentioned a bit a SOB and he pulled back the hammer and sent me straight to the surgeon .... one week later I had a new valve......

Your statement , "only a surgeon can cure vale disease", .... priceless .... many wait and have permanent damage and some wait and die....

Wishing you the best.....Tom
 
Glad you saw the surgeon, Jim and as you know, we will be here with you all the way!
 
Jim,
Your story sounds very similar to what I encountered four years ago. I don't know why cardiologists are reluctant to send their patients for a surgery consult once it's determined that the valve is at the minimum, moderately compromised.:confused:
Your surgeon sounds like a gem! :) I'm happy to read that you are now under his care.
 
Hi Jim,
I also went to my cardiologist this week for a regular 6 month checkup. I had called him 2 weeks beforehand to tell him I felt I was experiencing symptoms -- fatigue, getting a bit out of breath on walks. When we me he told me I was "within range" of surgery last spring, but he was just waiting until I told him I had symptoms. Now he has sprung into action and I have an angiogram on Monday and will meet the surgeon too and they will set a date for sometime in January. I think I was probably having symptoms earlier, but was in denial or they were so minor I didn't see them as symptoms. It's frustrating and difficult to understand.
 
Happy you met with this surgeon and like him so much. It is so important to have faith and confidence in the person who will literally hold your heart in their hands.

Keep us updated as you progress through your testing.

You, too, Dale..... let us know how your cardio visit goes.
 
Great post. I'm so glad you are confident in your surgeon. I like the fact that he will tell you when to "pull the trigger". My situation is different MV leakage......but my cardio only saw me once....referred to a surgeon and told me not to call him again until I had a surgery date. I have no symptoms and the surgeon tells me that my chambers and ejection factor are both normal. Now I am feeling like it is elective and it is up to me to "pull the trigger".
 
Ponytail.....

Sorry. This is just my opinion and just the way I would handle it for me, but I would be finding a new cardio. I would not be tolerant of so little interest, involvement or guidance from the professsional who is supposed to be coordinating your heart wellness.
 
Hi jim and great post,but here in Canada it's alot different

as i wait after meeting with my sugeon upon my cath and tee

in Sept.

It was he would see if he had an opening for end of Oct or early nov.

and now pushing me with meds and no callback from leaving messages

as of yet no callback and i understand they are very,very busy so he is

aware of my tests ,my condition,my peak my gradient ,in whole my

urgency,but you definately have to wait and rest and be sick,and seek

from family physician and if worse come to worse ambulance me there.

The question now is damage to my heart waiting and don't have the

answers till i get down there and whatever my family dr can answer for

me right now,the surgeon through my doc here have spoken and med

changes have been maintained and seems to be a little better not a

whole lot but alittle better and the surgeons aware and because i trust

this surgeon from our meeting in Sept i trust he remembers i'm waiting

according to everything my heart failure has worsened and once,(ONCE)

i get in for surgery for the mitral,this will all reside.

But like i say the waits horrible,as everyones life is on hold,since my

tests in Sept,we cant plan anything in case of a call.

I do like your way better cus you know whats going on not left in the

unknown areas as it is here.

I'm thrilled for you and do keep us posted as to what and when things

are happening for you,glad your meeting went good for you,Dale also

keep us up to date with you when your able.

zipper2 (DEB)
 
Ponytail.....

Sorry. This is just my opinion and just the way I would handle it for me, but I would be finding a new cardio. I would not be tolerant of so little interest, involvement or guidance from the professsional who is supposed to be coordinating your heart wellness.
Thanks for the comment .....I am doing just that.....I should have done it months ago. I'll keep you updated!
 
Jim, it sounds like you are on the right track.
My cardio had been pushing me into surgery for about a year, but I was stunned and in denial.
Listen to your surgeon, and go for it.
 
gosh, sounds like you might've not been around for that year to even 'come back'. Good that you saw the surgeon and we will wait for your news as it progresses. And offer prayers for the good news of getting to the surgeon. Dump the cardio!
 
Good for you, Jim

Good for you, Jim

Jim, I am happy you are taking initiative and it seems you are on the right track. My cardio (who is supposedly a top notch here) asked me to wait one year, but right away after he gave me the news, I started seeking surgeon's opinions and I am glad I did not wait a year as my valves were completely worn out and the surgeon was surprised how I was managing before the surgery. He showed us pictures of the valves--I and my hubby and sister wondered too that it was a miracle I was still alive! Go for it.:)
 
Jim,

Great choice in surgeons... Dr. Bavaria did an AVR redo and CABG on me in January and I haven't look back since. He and his staff are awesome, I would trust what they tell you. They are so busy down there at HUP you can be assured that they are not just looking for work. Good luck.

Nick
 

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