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I'm here! It is true, you can take the meds up to 2 hours after if necessary. However I would definitely suggest taking them before. I have issues with the one hour (but I'm a "difficult" patient). Since these antibiotics are in capsules, they're in your bloodstream very quickly. An hour really wouldn't make a big difference in my opinion. If (and it's a big if) there is bacteria released into the bloodstream that could cause endocarditis, it would take quite a bit to start "attacking". Just having the antibiotics on board at the time should be sufficient.
 
Before my OHS, my meds were usually bought a couple of days before my appt. Now I've realized that it's a good idea to always have them "on hand" just in case I break off a tooth, or need to go in for something urgent.

I've kept antibiotics on hand for at least 12 years, not just for my dental appointments.
If you have animals in your home, no matter how docile they are, it's possible for one to become frightened and bite or scratch you. For example: thunderstorm, being startled by a sudden noise, etc.
 
I've kept antibiotics on hand for at least 12 years, not just for my dental appointments.
If you have animals in your home, no matter how docile they are, it's possible for one to become frightened and bite or scratch you. For example: thunderstorm, being startled by a sudden noise, etc.

I know what you mean.....antibiotic cream is my friend.:)
 
I'm here! It is true, you can take the meds up to 2 hours after if necessary. However I would definitely suggest taking them before. I have issues with the one hour (but I'm a "difficult" patient). Since these antibiotics are in capsules, they're in your bloodstream very quickly. An hour really wouldn't make a big difference in my opinion. If (and it's a big if) there is bacteria released into the bloodstream that could cause endocarditis, it would take quite a bit to start "attacking". Just having the antibiotics on board at the time should be sufficient.


Kristy, I agree with you and since I am a difficult patients too, I like your idea of taking the meds two hours before--more peace to my mind. When I told my dentitst I preferred the older regimen where we took two other capsules after 4 hours, he said the effect will last for 12 hours afterwards. Anyone knows how long the bacteria survives?! just a question?! From my own personal experience, and this can be in my head also as no doctor agreed with me, my valves started deteriorating faster since I stopped taking the extra two pills after 4 hours.!! Am I crazy, imagining things, or is there anyone with same experience? forgive me if I am going overboard and not sounding right;)
 
Eva, with amoxycillin we used to take 2 pills before and 4 pills after.
Now I'm on clindamycin and it requires only the 2 pill before. My dentist is usually up to date on these things.
 
Eva, with amoxycillin we used to take 2 pills before and 4 pills after.
Now I'm on clindamycin and it requires only the 2 pill before. My dentist is usually up to date on these things.


You are right, Bina. It was 4 pills after not 2--my memory is failing me. I never was prescribed this 'Clindamycin' (C):rolleyes: Since the regimen had changed, I changed three dentitsts and all still prescribes 'Amoxicillin' (A)!! Am I unlucky with my dentitsts or are we backward here in the US?! I would like to know how many others in the US take C or A? I shall call my dentitst. Thanks again for the important info. If it happens that there is a difference between the two, then no wander I started deteriorating since I stopped the four pills after and this was not in my head!!
 
My cardio (who is a bit old school) has me take 2 grams (4 pills) one hour before and 1 gram (2 pills) 6 hours after. What I have heard is that most people just take the 2 grams before.
 
All...as the "difficult patient" I tend to argue on the less is more side of things. The American Academy of Cardiologists recommend the following regimen for those with artificial (not your own) valves. For those who can take penicillin, 2 grams of amoxicillin, one hour before appointment is sufficient (actually anywhere from one hour prior up to two hours after). If you can't take penicillin, then clindamycin (sp) is recommended. Same dosage and schedule I think. I HATE taking any antibiotics...I believe that for the most part, unless our own immune system is compromised, it's best to let our bodies fight off any "bugs". I take these antibiotics before my dental cleanings because my dentist won't work on me otherwise.

These latest guidelines came about because the studies were showing that the cases of endocarditis were NOT reduced by premedication. However, to cover their own carcasses, the AAC stopped short of recommending that premedication protocols be stopped. There is just as much chance of you releasing harmful bacteria into your bloodstream by routine brushing and flossing, and no one is suggesting that you have a daily regimen of antibiotics for that, nor are they suggesting that you stop brushing and flossing!

All of us must make our own decisions on this issue. I'm a believer that sooner than later, many of us are going to encounter some form of resistant bacteria, and the antibiotics should be left to fight those.
 
I have just come from the hospital having seen the oral surgeon for an examination. He said he last saw me in January and at that time I was marked up for gentamicin if I have a tooth cleaning, but he said that in March all changed and the guidlelines say forget it. He said he has been qualified for thirty years and all that time he has had it drummed into him that high risk patients get cover. He said that I am so high risk as to be almost off the scale so he won't make that decision to go ahead without cover, he is writing to my cardiologist for his ruling.

I go back to the hospital early December for review as I am away shortly, twice, so he is letting me get back and settled.
 
Rational for pre-procedure prophylaxis of antibiotics

Rational for pre-procedure prophylaxis of antibiotics

The comments reminded me of a post by Dr. Allan on May 8, 2006.

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The rational for pre-procedure prophylaxis of antibiotics is that there should be a maximum concentration of the antibiotic in the blood stream. Then, when bacteria invade the blood there is the maximum chance of killing the bacteria at that point in time. To infuse the antibiotic post procedure is to try and treat bacteria that have already established themselves adherent to your valve and they are much harder to kill. Throw into this equation the fact that antibiotics tend to be classified as either bactericidal (those that kill bacteria) or bacteriostatic (those that prevent further growth and hopefully allow the immune mechanism to do the killing. Mechanically the body?s defense mechanisms at both the lining of the heart and in the brain are relatively ineffective compared to muscle and skin. Thus one prefers ?cidal? antibiotics in these regions if available. In this case the 'hour ten minutes" delay is crucual and improper.
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This answer is not intended as and does not substitute for medical advice - the information presented is for patient education only. Please see your personal physician for further evaluation of your individual case.

Best to you,

Allan

Dr Allan posted some excellent information on a number of topics. We have not heard from him in a long while, and I miss him.

Regards,
Blanche
 
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