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is what my dentist is recommending prior to my replacment of aorta, scheduled for 1/3. i have BAVD, and aneurysm is 5.8 cm in ascending aorta. it was just discovered. has anyone else ever been given this recommendation? i have periodontal disease, but no dental pain, no bleeding when brushing teeth (even on warfarin). if you need to know more about me, check out my post at http://www.valvereplacement.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14878

thanks in advance -- joe
 
When I was in St George's Hospital with endocarditis they wheeled me over to the dental school to be checked out, I was told by the nursing staff that they did remove all or most of the teeth of some people. Mine were OK so I still have them all - actually the thought of losing my teeth worried me far more than the prospect of OHS.

It sounds a bit drastic to me, as my own dentist said, if a person had all their teeth removed they could still get rubbed sore by a denture and end up with bacteria entering the blood stream that way, and still get endocarditis. Any chance of fixing the periodontal disease?
 
not before...

not before...

jan 2, which is when i am admitted to mass genrl
 
Get yourself into a periodontist tomorrow. If he agrees with your dentist, maybe one or the other of them should talk to your surgeon. I kinda wonder if it's advisable to yank all your teeth less than a month before your OHS. I know nothing of periodontal disease, but it seems like you could end up with a worse situation in your mouth than you currently have if you open up a bunch of holes and invite the infection in. Might antibiotic prophylaxis (of a super-duper type) be an option???
 
...Also home of the Eastern States Exposition. I was honored to show a Guernsey heiffer there many years ago. I lived in Southampton at the time.

Sounds like your dentist is having a knee-jerk reaction to your surgery.

Your choice will likely be periodontal surgery. It's expensive and painful. I've had it. But it spares your teeth.

Absolutely get a second opinion on your teeth, and it should be from a periodontist. The surgery wasn't fun, but if needed, I absolutely recommend it over giving up all your own teeth.

However, if your choice were to go with the extractions, the timing doesn't look perticularly perilous, if there's two weeks before the surgery. You shouldn't do work like that for three to six months after the surgery.

Best wishes,
 
Can only let you know what i was told, i had BAV and Anurysm of 5.8 on ascending aorta and i was told to have my wisdom teeth taken out and have one tooth fixed that was impacted by one of the wisdom teeth.

I'd certainly see a specialist and question the logistics of having so much done so close to surgery....
 
well now i have two surgery dates in the next month...

well now i have two surgery dates in the next month...

just saw the oral surgeon today. he wants to take out 23 of 27 teeth, under general anesthesia in a local, but small, hospital on dec 20. the thought of having all these teeth pulled at once has scared me more than the aorta replacement. heck, i am on a beta blockade, up to 75 mg/day. had my systolic bp down to 115, but since hearing about this, i'm back to the high 120's! i have a second opinion with an independent periodontist, but unless he says -- "this is crazy" i'm thinking i should do it, just to increase my chances of not getting infected (even though i've been living with this for the past 11 years with my artificial heart valve and no infections there!). i wish i could get some real data, like what is the risk of getting the new graft infected. is it higher, the same, or lower than the heart valve is? have sent an email to my cardio surgeon, but no answer yet, and maybe he doesnt do emails with patients (?). i do with my patients, but most of my colleagues dont. aye-yi-yi!!!! -- joe
 
Your risk of infection and stroke are both raised for about six months with a graft. Then the risk levels go back to the level they are now, which is only slightly higher than the general population, despite the hype.

You have to remember that the percentage of people who've had endocarditis is skewed when viewing valve recipients as a discrete group. A few reasons for that: a number of people have valve replacement because they had endocarditis, which artificially raises the number to begin with, then there is the higher risk period during healing, and also that one of the biggest risk factors for developing endocarditis is to have had it before.

The six-month expanded risk period is due to the amount of time it takes for epithelium (essentially skin, but internal) to grow over and through the dacron matrix and cover it completely. This creates these risks because healing epithelium can release chemicals that can cause clotting, and is more susceptible to germs.

If someone receives a tissue valve, he or she is placed on Coumadin or Plavix for three months, or for six months with a graft attachment to ameliorate the stroke risk.

Because you're already on Coumadin (warfarin), your stroke risk is not particularly elevated during that time. Your stroke risk will be mostly limited to during and immediately after surgery, while being bridged. However, your endocarditis risk remains high for that six months, and you should avoid bacterially risky behaviors, such as having colonoscopy, intrusive dental work, and skinnydipping in the family septic tank.

Best wishes,
 
Hi Joe:

I was wondering about the fate of your teeth so I looked up this thread.

the thought of having all these teeth pulled at once has scared me more than the aorta replacement

All I can offer is empathy...take my aorta, but leave the teeth please!:D :eek: Ya gotta do what ya gotta do though. Hang in there.
 
I can go with the sentiment about having OHS rather than lose my teeth, been there, completely blase about the OHS but terrified in case they took my teeth out. If you have only 27 teeth now and they want to pull out 23, why don't they just yank the whole lot and be done with it? Surely having four of your own teeth will cause more problems and add to the cost of having dentures made. The timing isn't wonderful, it has to be said.
 
I may be an exception to the rule, but my surgeon told me that once my heart had healed from the surgery my risk of endocarditis would actually be less than before my surgery. My valve problem was kind of unique...my VSD was causing one of the leaflets on my aortic valve to prolapse which put me at a higher risk of endocarditis (which I contracted after a long bout of bronchitis). Since I had my VSD repaired and have my own pulmonary valve as my aortic valve there is actually less of a chance for bacteria/vegetations to find a spot to colonize. I know I'm still at a higher risk than the general population, but my "aortic" valve is now more like a "normal" valve than it's been in 30 years.

Man...I would do just about anything not to have to have all of my teeth pulled. I had A LOT of work done on my teeth before surgery. An extensive cleaning, 1 cavity filled, 4 fillings repaired, 2 root canals, and 2 crowns with a bridge. I'd definitely get a 2nd opinion from a periodontist and also talk to your surgeon before going ahead with the extractions.
 
An oral surgeon is not a periodontist. If you're having that many teeth pulled, it's for gum problems, not tooth problems. Periodontists deal with gum problems, oral surgeons deal with extractions...

Best wishes,
 
Joe,

Any update on your situation? Did you get 2nd and 3rd opinions? This seems drastic to me. Maybe it is the necessary step, I just would want to be sure that the course of action was correct.

Let us know what's going on.

David
 
too little time for other options...

too little time for other options...

i saw a periodontist who felt he could save many teeth, (like 19-20 of 23) but there is so little time before surgery (1/3), and at 5.8 cm i dont feel i can put it off. if only i had been being monitored over the past 8 years i would have had plenty of time to get this taken care of. but of course i wasnt being monitored because the cardio guy had said you "dont need a cardiologist anymore". ARRRRGH!!! so on wed i go to a small local hospital for general anesthesia and removal of 23 teeth. i told the nurse to make sure the helicopter is warmed up in case i need to go to a hospital with a cardio-thoracic surgery unit. well maybe eventually i'll get some nice new implants courtesy of said cardiologist. thanks for all your concerns everyone, and i'm sure i'll run into you on other threads.

ps-- maybe if i did the order of the tawdry shirt i could have my incision site picture, and my toothless grin!!!!
 
jbrown.........

I'm so sorry you have this situation to deal with on top of your heart issues.
Want to send you my very best wishes. I hope things go well for you. Please come back here and let us know how you are doing.
 
Implants take much time. Just for one little molar.If you are having 20+ you will be opening yourself up to the possibility of infection as they go beyond the gum line and drill a small hole in the bone to attach the tooth.

It sounds like a full denture may be safer. And let me tell you....a less expensive option than the implants. One tooth will run about 3K!

Good luck to you. Wishing you a speedy recovery from both proceedures!
 
My dental advice for what it's worth

My dental advice for what it's worth

Hi Joe,

Let me just share my story here, FWIW.

I had been going to the same dentist for around 15 years. During that time she had done quite a bit of work, including several crowns. Then we switched to another dentist. Wow! It was like day and night. He showed me on his fancy tripple-decker x-rays that the dental work of the previous dentist was garbage. He took off one crown and put another on. I looked at the old crown and it was full of yuck on the inside. He has a lathe where he can make a new crown in 20 minutes or so. This new kind of crown is much better than the gold crown. It is the same color as my other teeth, you can look through it with x-rays and you can drill into it should you need to. So I walked out of the office with my new crown completely done instead of the usual waiting two weeks with a rubber tooth that hurts all the time.

If I ever move to another city I am going to spend considerable effort finding the best dentist there. There is a BIG difference.

Hope this helps.

P.S. On top of doing all that lousy work my old dentist kept bugging me about getting my teeth whitened by her.
 
Teeth removal

Teeth removal

I'm having my 2nd VR the 21st. Different surgeon this time, the 1st thing he checked out were my teeth. Says there is a corelation(?) between bad teeth and heart issues. That was my experience. I've talked to other heart patients who say their dr's are checking their teeth also. Seems to be pretty common now.

Good luck, Bejaxx
 
Adding a me, too.

Adding a me, too.

I had an abscessed tooth that underwent 2 root canals, then an root amputation, then finally extraction just before my open heart surgery.

I wonder if there was a correlation.:confused:
 
Maybe a correlation but not with congenital BAV. If you're born with it - it ain't about your teeth or gums.

I have (dare I say) perfect teeth. Never a cavity. Nice gums with no problem there either.

Still had congenital BAV with regurg that had to be replaced.

David
 

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