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kerri73

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Hello everyone!

I know I posted a while back about my legs and arms feeling weak... my cardiologist thinks maybe my blood pressure is dropping (the one time I could get a bp reading after it, it was 99/76 - not super low, but it was 5 minutes later because I kept getting errors when I tried during it).

Anyway... my question... for those of you on atenolol, do you have a lot of fluctuation in your blood pressure? I've noticed that it seems higher lately - especially in the evenings (144/90 range which is high for me - I don't have high blood pressure naturally, I'm only on atenolol for a subaortic membrane).

My dose is 100mg and I think I'll cut it in half and take every 12 hours vs the whole 100mg at nighttime. I just wanted to check in to see if anyone else had any ideas or shared these problems. I've been on atenolol since like 99, though, and have only had the weakness in the past year or so. Odd.

I also have visual problems - fuzzy or dark spots - but since my cardio put me on baby aspirin, those have gone away for the most part.

Thanks!
Kerri
 
I have not noticed any blood pressure fluctuations, but I don't check all that often. I'm actually on 50mg of Atenolol twice per day. I don't know why someone would be prescribed to take is once per day instead of splitting it up. Anyone?
 
When I was taking atenolol at 50 mg per day, my legs felt weak as well. The problem went away when my dosage was reduced to 25 mg per day. I am currently taking it at 12.5 mg per day because my heart rate was so low. My BP has always tended to be on the high side even with the atenolol.
 
100mg seems like a large dose to me, as I only take 50mg per day in a single dose at night. I used to take two 25mg doses each day, morning and night, prior to my surgery. I asked my cardiologist specifically about a single dose vs. splitting it up, and I don't remember his explanation now, but he was very clear with his instruction to take one 50mg dose once per day.
 
I also started out with 100 mg two years ago, I hated it and cut it to 50, then last spring I was getting dizzy spells and my bp was 70/58 at the cardio visit in June, the nurse took it again and it was 78/62. The cardio came in and said I should cut back on my atenenol and drink more water, I never looked back. My family doc freaked and told me to cut it to 12.5 and that's where I am now.

I've only taken it once a day and in the evening, never split the dose.
 
My dr started me out on 25 mg/day and later increased to 50 mg and I took one in the am and the other at night. I was on it since bypass surgery in 2000. Eventually I got very cold feet when I would lie flat! I try to rest after lunch and when I'd lie down my feet would freeze - any season of the year - also at night when I went to bed. When they finally would get warm the toes and soles would be RED and feel really hot until I'd get up and walk around some. My dr switched me over to Toprol XL and no more cold/HOT feet. I have a cough, tho and maybe it's the Toprol. Can't win.
 
100mg is a pretty good dose. 50mg dropped my heart rate to 50bpm. I'm surprised you're still standing.

Your doctor is wrong not to respond to this side effect.

Atenolol is peddled as a mild drug, because it doesn't pass the blood-brain barrier. However, it can cause plenty of problems of its own. My wife has Atenolol-induced psoriasis, which seems to happen most often in periomenopausal women.

Here are your symptoms (paraesthesia - I had it in the form of tingling in the hands, which is not as severe). Boldings are mine.

This is from FirstDatabank, Inc., via MedicineNet.com, http://www.medicinenet.com/atenolol-oral/page2.htm
SIDE EFFECTS: You may experience dizziness, lightheadedness, drowsiness, tiredness, nausea, diarrhea, unusual dreams, leg pain, or vision problems as your body adjusts to the medication. If any of these effects persist or worsen, notify your doctor or pharmacist promptly. This drug may reduce blood flow to your hands and feet, causing them to feel cold. Smoking may worsen this effect. Dress warmly and avoid tobacco use. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: symptoms of a very slow heartbeat (e.g., persistent dizziness, fainting, unusual fatigue), bluish discoloration of the fingers and toes, numbness/tingling/swelling of the hands or feet, decreased sexual ability, reversible hair loss, mental/mood changes, joint changes, butterfly-shaped rash on the nose and cheeks, trouble breathing, cough, unexplained or sudden weight gain, increased thirst, increased urination. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these highly unlikely but very serious side effects occur: easy bruising or bleeding, persistent sore throat or fever. In the unlikely event you have an allergic reaction to this drug, seek medical attention immediately. Symptoms of an allergic reaction include: rash, itching, swelling, severe dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.
Go back to your doctor, with an attitude. You can stop by your pharmacist's first, as they may be able to provide you with supporting information. Or Google it for printables.

If your doctor's response is, "Well, let's see if this goes away after a while," then ask him why he has such a lack of concern for your well-being, when the manufacturer says he should be reacting to this side effect. Tell him you're going for a second opinion. If he still stands there stroking his chin, go get another opinion - and another doctor.

Best wishes,
 
Thanks for all of your responses! I've been on this dose of atenolol for a long time - and 50mg doesn't work for me - I still have palpatations. I tried to cut my dose in half a few weeks ago and it just didn't fly with my body - I started skipping beats and the palpatations came back within a few days, so I went back to the 100mg. I think I'll first try to break it up into 2 doses vs the 1, then if I still experience this I'll go back to the dr. He was in agreement with me on going this route for now, otherwise he'll switch me to something else (I was originally on Toprol back in '98, and I can't remember why I switched to atenolol). The weakness episodes aren't a daily thing - the last one I had was 5 weeks ago. It's the fluctuation in bp that has me baffled more than anything. That and the thought that the weakness could be something beyond the atenolol - just because I've been on it for so many years with no problems.

Oh, and I have a pacemaker - could be why I'm still standing. :)
 
Good doctor or bad doctor, please do not go changing the way you take this very serious medicine without some professional counsel!!

Obviously, everyone who responded had a different dosage and set of instructions. That is because we are all dealing with different reasons to be on Atenolol.

I am on 50mg and am hoping to drop it to 25mg only because the dreams are driving me nuts. I am on 2 different kinds of BP medicine (Diovan being the other, at the lowest dose of 80mg). I take Diovan in the morning and 50 mg Atenolol at night. The Atenolol was first prescribed for my very strong PVC's. In NO WAY would I drop the dose without talking to my cardio first.

Be persistent about describing and getting attention for your symptoms. I agree with that. Just don't do anything rash all by yourself! :)

Marguerite
 
kerri73 said:
Thanks for all of your responses! I've been on this dose of atenolol for a long time - and 50mg doesn't work for me - I still have palpatations. I tried to cut my dose in half a few weeks ago and it just didn't fly with my body - I started skipping beats and the palpatations came back within a few days, so I went back to the 100mg. I think I'll first try to break it up into 2 doses vs the 1, then if I still experience this I'll go back to the dr. He was in agreement with me on going this route for now, otherwise he'll switch me to something else (I was originally on Toprol back in '98, and I can't remember why I switched to atenolol). The weakness episodes aren't a daily thing - the last one I had was 5 weeks ago. It's the fluctuation in bp that has me baffled more than anything. That and the thought that the weakness could be something beyond the atenolol - just because I've been on it for so many years with no problems.

Oh, and I have a pacemaker - could be why I'm still standing. :)

Oh! got called away from my computer and then just came back and hit send without reading yours first!! :eek: Keep us posted on how all this works out for you! :)
 
That's funny that you mentioned the dreams - I had a thread going about them a while back (because of Atenolol). Like I said, I had cut my dose in half just to see what it would do, and I've noticed now that I have it back full strength, I almost wake up just exhausted from all the dreams. They're very vivid and sometimes nightmarish (though I haven't had those in a while, thank goodness).

I had switched doctors and came back to this one because I like and trust him - and I can call them with symptoms and they're prompt to reply to me, and call me in, run tests, etc. I don't feel like my life is at risk in his hands. My last doctor, when I called with these symptoms... to this day has not called me back - I'd love to give them a piece of my mind!! I think that's just horrible.

Anyway, thanks again! I love to hear from people in my shoes and to compare what all is going on with us, which is why I appreciate this forum so much! A doctor can only tell me so much - it's our real-life experiences that comfort me a little more.

Kerri
 
I'm glad you've already been back, and your doctor's now sounding more reasonable.

Atenolol isn't for palpitations particularly. It's to make your heart beat less hard. I agree with Marguerite that you shouldn't mess with your dosage of any heart medication without discussing it with your doctor. I don't know why he didn't tell you to take it in two doses to begin with, twelve hours apart.

That may help some. However, if the symptoms remain, go with a different product. There are dozens to try. You'll likely find one that works and isn't obnoxious.

Sadly, look what is listed as a common, "minor" side effect of Atenolol:
Other less serious side effects are more likely to occur, such as:
? decreased sex drive, impotence, or difficulty having an orgasm...
How can this be termed a "less serious side effect?!" Do doctors think we prudently abstain after surgery? Such a typical display of medical cranio-rectal immersion...

Best wishes,
 
Bob you're too funny. :) (though my husband may not think that's so funny) :)

What's weird is I've seen multiple cardiologists in the past year and asked them about cutting my dose in half, 2x/day, and none seems to be set on one way of doing it or another - they were all like "try it, see if it helps". I'm sure it's a "different people will react differently" kinda thing. My doc thinks that my weakness episodes stem from a drop in blood pressure - and that's from me taking my bp when it happens (or trying to). But he's having me log my bp throughout the day for a while to see where it goes - if it really is all over the place or not.

Oh and I think the reason I experience palpatations is because of that subaortic membrane - the atenolol does seem to help with that.

Anyhooo - thanks again!
Kerri
 
"100mg is a pretty good dose. 50mg dropped my heart rate to 50bpm. I'm surprised you're still standing."

When I developed tachycardia during surgery in 2002 I was put on 100mg in the a.m. and 75 mg at bedtime. I was at that dosage for a couple of years; then it was gradually reduced until my OHS in 2005 when I was switched to Coreg.

It's a wonder I could navigate but I did!!!!:D :confused: :confused: :D
 
you got lots of advice;) already..

I was taking 50mg after surgery.. 25 both am and pm..
(I broke out in a rash from Toprol)
I started having some depression..so my cardio cut me back to 25 eve only..and I feel much much better... I was just zombie like all day.

My dreams were also vivid and at times still are. My blood pressure is always low.. 88/57 this am..but I run low anyway.. so any more Atenalol is out of the question for me.

Talk to your cardio.. dividing it up am/pm may be a good way to go..
hope it works out..let us know.
 
One other thought. In this case, generics are not all alike. When my wife went off of Atenolol, I used up her pills, as they were the same strength. However, she had gotten her supply from a different drug store. On hers, I suddenly had a rush of the symptoms that I had first had when I started taking Atenolol a few years ago. Apparently, that generic brand released a big load of the drug up front, rather than releasing it smoothly over time. My usual drug store had a different generic supplier.

You might fare better with a different generic. See if you can get the manufacturer they're using, and get a supply from a place that sells the drug from a different manufacturer.

Best wishes,
 
I was on a small dose (25Mg) about 10 years before my surgery and I seemed to tolerate it fine. I did start to take 50mg about 3 years before surgery.

After surgery it was a whole different experience. I was in decent shape before surgery with heart rate around 60. As I continued to workout after surgery my resting rate often was in the low 40s and I felt like I had to grab a hold of something every time I stood up so I didn't totally black out.

I have been switched to Sectral and things have normalized. Even with a resting heartbeat of 50ish I have no further episodes of dizziness or almost fainting. I would explore your options with the help of your cardio as there seems like there may be some other choices.

I still can't say much bad about atenolol as it served me well for many years. It just seems like my heart made an adjustment after the VR, becoming more efficient and less tolerant of the drug.

Dan
 
Interesting experiment

Interesting experiment

after reading all these posts, yesterday morning I decided to go back to atenolol to test if the Toprol XL is causing the cough. I took one a.m. and one p.m. (25 mg). I had really vivid DREAMS but this morning NO cough! I never expected any of this to be immediate. Now what do I do? Is there another to replace these two? I hate bouncing around with meds and I think my dr would not like what I have done, but I had to find out if Toprol is causing the cough. It's been driving me nuts.
 
Hi Gang,

Guess this thread shows a great example of how different people react differently to the same medications.

Atenolol is a Beta Blocker and these are designed to accomplish two things, Lower your blood pressure and, to Lower you heart rate.

Atenolol is also a beta blocker that does not cross the blood/brain barrier. Ones that do can make one feel more lethargic or depressed.

I have been on this drug for 6 years now. I take 50 mg in the morning and 50 mg in the evening. I have only been taking the evening dose for the last 3/4 of a year, since my A-Flutter occurrences started happening.

I do not have any issues with taking this medication. Although at first, I did notice the tingling sensations and some dizziness.

Due to the lowering of my heart rate, my metabolism has slowed down and this has caused some slight weight gain. For example.. I can be on a treadmill walking at a 4.2 mph pace for 30 min and my heart rate will not go above 98 bpm (beats per min). It's kind of hard to burn off calories at such a slow rate. In fact, if you are on a beta blocker, you cannot use the standard rule for optimum heart rate for exercise. Below is an explanation as provided by a nurse on how to calculate this rate if you are on a beta blocker.

Your heart is getting an adequate workout as long as you raise it 20-30 beats
per minute over your resting levels. You can't calculate a target heart rate
based on the traditional method of subtracting your age from 220 and
multiplying it by 70-85%, because of the beta-blocker.
In the cardiac rehab setting we usually use 70-85% of the highest heart rate
achieved on the pre-exercise stress test, if the medication(s), especially
beta-blockers, were taken before the test. If the medication(s) were held,
the highest heart rate achieved must be further adjusted for these meds;
typically a range of 10-20% more depending on the size and frequency of the
beta-blocker dose and the dose(s) of other medications being taken that may
also be lowering the heart rate. Sometimes this method of calculation is
ineffective; in this case we often use the simple formula of resting heart
rate plus 20 to 30 beats per minute. This range is decided upon based on
whether or not the person is still ischemic (blockages that are preventing
adequate blood flow to the heart), the amount of heart muscle damage from the
heart attack, the ejection fraction and other individual considerations.
In regard to your question about time of day to exercise, in my opinion you
are actually better off to exercise earlier in the day, when your
beta-blocker is having the most effect on your heart rate. I can't evaluate
this in relation to your condition, because I don't know what the situation
is with your heart's blood flow. In general the effect of the beta-blocker is
to improve blood flow to the heart muscle, so it is better protected from the
potential effects of decreased blood flow and thus you are less likely to
have angina. Hope this is clear and helpful; I will watch for additional
posts from you should you have another question.
Sincerely, Laurie Anderson, RN, BSN


More information regarding Beta Blockers.

Re: beta blocker choice (by Cardiostar (WebMD) 6 days ago) 5/3/01 12:23 a.m.Hi S.M:)For simplicity sake (though nothing seems to be that way in medicine today), doctors, using their overall clinical experience, try to prescribe a beta blocker that is felt to be the most appropriate one that will effectively control a particular condition or conditions (dosage must be individualized) and do so hopefully with minimal (tolerable) side effects. Contraindications, pre-existing medical conditions and drug interactions have to be taken into consideration when prescribing this particular drug as well.Beta blockers can be cardioselective; decrease in systemic side effects and only affects beta-1 receptors located primarily in the cardiac muscle or non- cardioselective; increase in systemic side effects; and affects beta-1 and the beta-2 receptors (which are located primarily in the bronchial musculature and blood vessels).Toprol-XL® (metoprolol succinate, extended release) is a beta-1 cardioselective drug. Metoprolol tartrate immediate release is available as Lopressor® and is reported to be the most widely prescribed and competitive beta-blocker in the world. In the U.S., Toprol-XL® is primarily indicated for high blood pressure (hypertension) and angina, but like other beta blockers, it can be prescribed for other conditions as determined by a qualified doctor. Since everyone is unique, and therefore the metabolism responds differently to beta blockers, if a particular beta blocker works well for one individual that does not necessarily mean that it will work well for the next.A problem with this class of drug is that some beta blockers are known to enter or cross the blood-brain-brain (BBB, actually there are two of them and is described as a protective network of blood vessels and cells that filters blood flowing to the brain) easier than others. The ones that do this seem to cause more central nervous system (CNS) side effects, such as nightmares, hallucinations, and depression than others that exhibit low penetration characteristics (LPC). If a beta blocker seems to be ineffective, doctors will either increase the dose or switch to another class of drug that is deemed appropriate.When a beta blocker dosage is increased, one has to watch out for dose delivered side effects (DDSE) which can be an increase in the severity of present (if any) side effects or the onset of entirely new ones which may or may not cause an iatrogenic condition or disease.Also, while on this class of drug, blood pressure and pulse/HR should be checked regularly and a doctor should be contacted immediately if/when pulse/HR falls below 50 BPM.You'll obviously need to discuss your current medication and health status with your cardiologist next month.

Hope you find some of this useful.

Rob
 
This is not meant to be a hijack, but since the subject came up...

How do those of you taking one dose of Atenolol per day notice how your HR behaves during the day? As I mentioned above, I currently take 50mg twice per day. The interesting thing is, I certainly notice it when I miss a dose. For instance, yesterday morning I forgot to take it and my heart was beating faster and more noticibly than usual by noon. I couldn't remember for sure if I had forgotten it (I'm an autopilot morning person), but I could tell from how my body was acting that I probably had. When I got home I was able to confirm it. Do those of you who take 100mg once per day notice your HR increasing during the day?
 

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