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Ross

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The Agenda Troll.
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to pursue an agenda of their own ? often a feud or grudge with another member, or perhaps to promote a business opportunity.For example, Agenda Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue the spat or promote their wares.


The Sophist Troll.
Sophist Trolls, fancy themselves "Enlightened Philosophers" or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well educated, they are capable of speaking intelligently on a number of topics. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and intolerant species.

When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree ? particularly when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary views ? Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide, condescending, patronizing attitude. They consider anyone with whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks. Their bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words, committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.

When engaging in their sophistry, they are among the most hypocritical and aggravating of trollkind.

The Bitter Troll.
Bitter Trolls are a curious cross-species. They can be trolls of any breed in their larval stages, but become Bitters after their previous activities are seen for what they were. What sets these trolls apart from other classifications is their behavior after they have been spotted and labeled as trolls. Angry, frustrated, and resentful about being "outed," the Bitter Troll will wage a campaign of indignant complaints intended to focus attention away from the troll and on whomever is responsible for identifying the creature. Often, a troll mutates into a Bitter just prior to becoming a Vulgar.

The Bustr.
Bustrs are obsessive Bitters by whom you could practically set your watch. A Bustr never forgets, never forgives, and holds a grudge until the day it dies. Also a variant of Agenda trolls, Bustrs typically move from forum to forum complaining about the objects of their ire, often cutting and pasting age-old diatribes that have little meaning to most of their audiences. Most Bustrs are relatively incoherent, though a few of the more lucid ones are potentially dangerous stalkers.

The Pretender Troll.
The mutant offspring of Bitter Trolls, Pretenders become outraged when outed and attempt to channel their distress by mimicking their tormentors. Pretenders always "accuse the accusers," as they say, frequently (and falsely) charging that they are being wrongly labeled for merely dissenting in the course of a debate. Pretenders sometimes try to invent their own species labels and descriptions in desperate attempts to deflect and redirect the attention of other forumites. They may also ape the language and demeanor of their accusers (though they typically fail).

The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll.
More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves, sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag of tricks to which they turn:
Classic give-away #1: Suddenly appears after being outed by forumites with a new identity.
Classic give-away #2: Appears sympathetic and vulnerable to reel forumites in.
Classic give-away #3: Employs the usage of hot topics such as God and politics to get the forumites more involved
This Classic will reel the forumites in with a new identity to "show" the Troll Bashers that he can fool them. They are transparent and quickly outed again. But not until the seeds of discord are sewn with a topic as sensitive as RELIGION, GOD, COUNTRY, or POLITICS.


The Artistic Troll.
A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most dangerous species.


TROLL SPOTTING
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:

1. Low post count. Trolls usually do not last long enough on a forum to rack up a large number of posts.

2. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses identical to that of the TiQ.

3. Suspicious E-mail Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. Yahoo And Hotmail accounts, for example, are particularly suspect

4. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will display traits similar to that of the TiQ.

NATURAL PREDATORS

Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:

Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of trollkind, as a moderator can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling. Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating to all breeds.

Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous. Troll Bashers understand the difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation against it ? and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified when a troll rears its ugly head.

Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of Troll Bashers, Angry Forumites can pose a danger to trollkind when they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to be underestimated.
 
Thanks for looking out for us and acting on our comments to you. We could not ask for a better or more aware administrator.
 
Is this a troll?

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Snip, Snap, Snout

Snip, Snap, Snout

Then there's Big Billy Goat Gruff, the fiercest enemy of trolls.

I hereby anoint Ross Big Billy Goat Gruff, the baddest Gruff in the realm! :D

Here is the legend of Big Ross (borrowed from folk legend):


The Three Billy Goats Gruff
Norway
Once upon a time there were three billy goats, who were to go up to the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was "Gruff."

On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross; and under the bridge lived a great ugly troll , with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker.

So first of all came the youngest Billy Goat Gruff to cross the bridge.

"Trip, trap, trip, trap! " went the bridge.

"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll .

"Oh, it is only I, the tiniest Billy Goat Gruff , and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the billy goat, with such a small voice.

"Now, I'm coming to gobble you up," said the troll.

"Oh, no! pray don't take me. I'm too little, that I am," said the billy goat. "Wait a bit till the second Billy Goat Gruff comes. He's much bigger."

"Well, be off with you," said the troll.

A little while after came the second Billy Goat Gruff to cross the bridge.

Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap, went the bridge.

"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll.

"Oh, it's the second Billy Goat Gruff , and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the billy goat, who hadn't such a small voice.

"Now I'm coming to gobble you up," said the troll.

"Oh, no! Don't take me. Wait a little till the big Billy Goat Gruff comes. He's much bigger."

"Very well! Be off with you," said the troll.

But just then up came the big Billy Goat Gruff .

Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap! went the bridge, for the billy goat was so heavy that the bridge creaked and groaned under him.

"Who's that tramping over my bridge?" roared the troll.

"It's I! The big Billy Goat Gruff ," said the billy goat, who had an ugly hoarse voice of his own.

"Now I 'm coming to gobble you up," roared the troll.

Well, come along! I've got two spears,
And I'll poke your eyeballs out at your ears;
I've got besides two curling-stones,
And I'll crush you to bits, body and bones.


That was what the big billy goat said. And then he flew at the troll, and poked his eyes out with his horns, and crushed him to bits, body and bones, and tossed him out into the cascade, and after that he went up to the hillside. There the billy goats got so fat they were scarcely able to walk home again. And if the fat hasn't fallen off them, why, they're still fat; and so,

Snip, snap, snout.
This tale's told out.
 
Does our Head Troll Buster collect the heads of his busted trolls and put them on display around his computer?:D
 
Good on ya Ross...

We can all be very grateful you are here to watch over us and keep us safe from these trolls

Must be the season for trolls....
"Munchausen by internet" is also a hot topic amongst forums at the moment...
 
Why someone would want to expend all of the effort to be a troll escapes me. I do good sometimes to enter a post and make sense, get correct spelling, etc., without having to infuse my agenda into everything I do. And then to follow people around to other sites...ugh!! Sounds exhausting and just plain stupid. Not to mention the obvious evil aspects. I'm so glad that's not tolerated here. Thank you.
 
He heehhee

"Classic give-away #3: Employs the usage of hot topics such as God and politics to get the forumites more involved"

Does this sound familiar to anyone?
 
This was very interesting Ross -

This was very interesting Ross -

I personally think trolls are just people who have found the perfect platform (the internet) for their anger and frustration - we have them in everday life, too - in our workplaces, etc. I truly feel sorry for these people - they need help.

However, we are ALL "trolls" to some extent, don't ya think?

Christina L
 
Ross said:
He heehhee

"Classic give-away #3: Employs the usage of hot topics such as God and politics to get the forumites more involved"

Does this sound familiar to anyone?
Oh - yeah.;) :D ;)
 
Did I miss something?

Did I miss something?

This is the first forum that I have really participated in. I have never been big on chat and forums until I had a "need" like now. I had heard of trolls, but never quite knew exactly what they were on the net. Ross did a good job of enlightening me. I am just curious what initiated this thread. Or is not polite to ask?
 
Oh, we have had our share of nasty trolls. One just recently. The fact that you haven't seen many or any of the posts is because we have Ross, who keeps a good eye on them.

In the past, they have done a LOT of damage and hurt many people, causing in-fighting and downright insulting members. That's not what this site is all about. We're here to help, not hurt.

This is not the only one that gets trolls, they all do. I go to several other medical sites and they all have trolls, some really terrible. this site does a much better job of controlling them. For that I am very grateful.
 
Nancy said:
Oh, we have had our share of nasty trolls. One just recently. The fact that you haven't seen many or any of the posts is because we have Ross, who keeps a good eye on them.

In the past, they have done a LOT of damage and hurt many people, causing in-fighting and downright insulting members. That's not what this site is all about. We're here to help, not hurt.

This is not the only one that gets trolls, they all do. I go to several other medical sites and they all have trolls, some really terrible. this site does a much better job of controlling them. For that I am very grateful.

And I'm grateful to you Nancy, for sending me this article. I'll give you credit for posting it rather then myself. ;)
 
Trolls

Trolls

I'm always seeing them in shops in my village. Ugly little things..:D I think we should start buying them and sending them to Ross to put over his computer... I love to browse ..but not buy..After 40 years..I have enough collectables..:D I will send him, his first one..maybe he will post a picture? Bonnie
 

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