Update: Constrictive Pericarditis

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ponygirlmom

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I wasn't going to post an update because I'm in the middle of treatment, but my husband reminded me that there might be lurkers on the board who would be helped by my experience, so here goes.

My body reacted to my valve-and-aorta replacement surgery by developing a very rare complication: the rapid post-surgical onset of constrictive pericarditis.

For those of you who aren't familiar with this malady, it isn't the type of pericarditis that many people get after surgery. "Regular" pericarditis is the inflammation of the paricardium (the sac that covers the heart.) I had "regular" pericarditis, too, after surgery.

Constrictive pericarditis is the development of scar tissue on the pericardium. The scar tissue squeezes the heart and restricts its movements.

Usually constrictive pericarditis develops over the course of years, even decades. I developed mine in a matter of weeks. It was my body's auto-immune response to surgery. Another auto-immune response my body had was fluid in my chest cavity (not lungs) that didn't seem to have a particular cause, and re-filled within a few hours of being drained. (That fluid has finally gone.)

The treatment for constrictive percarditis is steroids, which are supposed to eliminate the scar tissue and prevent more from developing. I have given up understanding exactly how they are supposed to accomplish this! (Please don't post and tell me how steroids work -- I know how they work; I just don't understand how they work IN THIS CASE, and I don't think it's worth trying to force my brain to get it.)

I have been on a high dose of steroids (prednisone) for a month now, and I am just beginning to taper the dose. I will be tapering the dose for several months, because if you don't decrease the steroids slowly, you can cause a rebound reaction. The steroids will still be working on my problem while the dose is being reduced.

I had my "before" echo last week, and I think I'm having a "before" MRI soon. I know it's funny to have "before" tests a few weeks into the treatment, but with SIX doctors all giving their input, this is what happens. And by the way, you CAN have too much of a good thing, e.g., doctors. I finally said to one of them: can YOU be the final-word, main-contact doc on this thing? So now we have a point-man!

The cardio was encouraged that my vena cava (a lower heart part) is not constricted. Otherwise we really don't have any data to report, good or bad, about the treatment at this point.

So the moral of the story, for anyone who is still reading this, is that when a doctor -- this will likely be your surgeon, or a busy cardio -- says, "Your heart-rate is high. Let's lower it with drugs without bothering to figure out WHY it's high," you should say, "I'm not swallowing anything until you figure out why it's high."

Why do I give this advice? Because if I HAD simply taken my surgeon's advice and taken a beta-blocker or some other heart-rate-lowering drug, I might have gone undiagnosed for even longer, and then I would have been in serious trouble. But since I don't tolerate beta-blockers, everyone had to investigate further.

Also, if you develop "regular" pericarditis after surgery, and it's not responding to treatment, ask the doctors to treat it aggressively. This might have helped me. My surgeon was reluctant to give me steroids at that time, because he was afraid of how I might react to them. (This was a good concern on his part, but as you can see, I ended up on them, anyway.)

So that's the update!
 
bless you for posting anyway. we never know when what we say is needed by someone else. We have, every one of us, benefitted from someone else's posts and information plus support. Somebody out there needs this from you. Wishing you to be well again quickly. Thanks
 
I echo the others and thank you for posting. This could be of huge help to someone reading who has the busy cardio and surgeon who have not sought the 'cause'. A good lesson for all of us.

Sending best wishes the steroids have done their intended good and you are well on the mend. This sounds like you could have felt very crummy and potntially faced serious problems.

Good luck with the 'before and after' tests. Hope you get all good news.
 
It's good that you posted this information. You never know who might need it.

There are a few people here that have this problem, and my husband had it too.

I hope the steroid works for you.
 
Thanks for sharing that info. Being that I just had my surgery 10 days ago, I want to be on the lookout for anything that might be a sign of a problem. Good for you for persisting in managing your healthcare providers. Your experience and example provide a reminder for us all to do likewise. You seem to be headed in the right direction. My thoughts will be for your speedy and complete recovery.
 
Thank you for posting your experience. It has been helpful.

My mother had mitral valve replacement and tricuspid valve repair, as well as a Maze procedure, last November. She is 80 years old (she was 79 at the time of the surgery). She had some complications post surgery, including the implantation of a pacemaker (her electrical circuitry was disrupted during surgery), and a thoracentesis to drain fluid which had accumulated around her heart. However, her condition slowly improved, and by March 2008, she was shopping, driving, and feeling pretty good.

Within the past few weeks, though, she seemed to be a little more tired. Nothing too serious, but she was just not as energetic as before. She scheduled an appointment with her cardiologist, who gave her a full checkup and ordered an echo. The echo showed that a little bit of scar tissue had formed around the pericardial sac. The cardiologist said although this was rare, it was not too serious at this time, and prescribed a diuretic (Lasik), to go along with the other drugs my mother takes (Coumadin, Lopressor and Mycardis). She was also told that she should continue to work out, and that there were no restrictions on her activity.

After reading your post, I am concerned she might have constrictive pericarditis. Could you provide a little more information? How extensive is your scarring?
What are your symptoms? Were you prescribed a diuretic? Have the steroids helped? I am also wondering if this is a progressive problem ? that is, will the scarring continue to form, or is this as bad as it is going to get. The doctor does not want to see my mother again for six months. That seems a little long if scar tissue is continuing to form.

Thanks for your time. I have been an ardent reader of this great site since my mother?s surgery, and it has been a tremendous help. Thanks to you all for posting. You are providing a great service. Also, I wish you the very best in your recovery.
 
Thank you for posting your experience. It has been helpful.

My mother had mitral valve replacement and tricuspid valve repair, as well as a Maze procedure, last November. She is 80 years old (she was 79 at the time of the surgery). She had some complications post surgery, including the implantation of a pacemaker (her electrical circuitry was disrupted during surgery), and a thoracentesis to drain fluid which had accumulated around her heart. However, her condition slowly improved, and by March 2008, she was shopping, driving, and feeling pretty good.

Within the past few weeks, though, she seemed to be a little more tired. Nothing too serious, but she was just not as energetic as before. She scheduled an appointment with her cardiologist, who gave her a full checkup and ordered an echo. The echo showed that a little bit of scar tissue had formed around the pericardial sac. The cardiologist said although this was rare, it was not too serious at this time, and prescribed a diuretic (Lasik), to go along with the other drugs my mother takes (Coumadin, Lopressor and Mycardis). She was also told that she should continue to work out, and that there were no restrictions on her activity.

After reading your post, I am concerned she might have constrictive pericarditis. Could you provide a little more information? How extensive is your scarring? What are your symptoms? Were you prescribed a diuretic? Have the steroids helped? I am also wondering if this is a progressive problem ? that is, will the scarring continue to form, or is this as bad as it is going to get. The doctor does not want to see my mother again for six months. That seems a little long if scar tissue is continuing to form.

Thanks for your time. I have been an ardent reader of this great site since my mother?s surgery, and it has been a tremendous help. Thanks to you all for posting. You are providing a great service. Also, I wish you the very best in your recovery.

Sorry I didn't reply sooner; it's been a busy weekend.

I cannot imagine how a diuretic would be helpful. I take a very, very dim view of diuretics, anyway, because in my case I wasted precious time taking diuretics (and having a thoracentesis) prescribed by my surgeon, who was treating my SYMPTOMS, not the REAL PROBLEM. (Symptoms = fluid buildup. Real problem = constrictive pericarditis.)

Is your mom's heart rate getting higher across the board (both resting and active)?

Does she feel her heart progressively beating harder?

Does she get short of breath while talking?

I don't know how much scar tissue I have yet, because no one has scheduled an MRI yet. I like to imagine my two cardiologists fighting over whether I should have one. I kinda hope the one who says "no" wins, because I hate MRIs. On the other hand, I don't know how else they will be able to measure the amount of scar tissue, if that's important to know exactly.

I have months to go on the steroids before we know if they have worked.
 
Thank you for your response. My mother did feel her heart beating a little more than before -- but she was taking a thyroid pill, and her thyroid level was high, so the cardiologist took her off that pill, and indicated she (the cardiologist) thought that was what was causing her awareness.

Also, my mother did indicate that she felt her heart rate was a little faster, but she clocked in at 70 bpm at the doctor's office, so it might be more of an occasional issue.

With respect to shortness of breath, she mostly notices it when she walks up a flight of stairs carrying laundry clothes, but not too much otherwise.

Have you had any side effects with the steroids?

I am going to talk with the cardiologist today to find out her view of steroids. I will report back to once I have that info.
 
DSA,
Having lived with pericardial constriction since my 2005 valve replacement, I will state that the use of diuretics have been extremely important in successfully dealing with its effects. Since you are unsure what your mother is currently dealing with, I would follow my cardiologist's advice in adding Lasix to the other medications she's taking.
 
Thanks Mary --

It is comforting to know that Lasix provides you with relief from the symptoms. Can you shed some more light on your condition as I am trying to learn as much as possible. What symptoms did you have? How do you currently feel? Were you also prescribed steroids? Also, did your condition progress, or did it level off? I am trying to figure out what my mother can expect, and to make sure she is properly treated.

I really appreciate your time.

DSA.
 
I agree with mary. Joe had pericardial constriction too, and needed Lasix and potassium, and at times Zaroxolyn and even in hospital IV Lasix. Fluid accumulation and CHF have to be treated, and diuretics are the things that help. Pericardial constriction can cause fluid problems.

CHF is nothing to mess around with.
 
I'll just toss in the personal experience here that I had a bad reaction to a combination of Lasix and Synthroid; I see both have been mentioned in a few of the comments. I believe a contraindication is flagged with the name brands of these meds but it wasn't flagged with the generic versions when I had the problem many years ago and I checked then with doctors and pharmacists who didn't have correct information.

Bottom line: check and double check for contraindications when taking combinations of medications, even common ones.
 
I'll just toss in the personal experience here that I had a bad reaction to a combination of Lasix and Synthroid; I see both have been mentioned in a few of the comments. I believe a contraindication is flagged with the name brands of these meds but it wasn't flagged with the generic versions when I had the problem many years ago and I checked then with doctors and pharmacists who didn't have correct information.

Bottom line: check and double check for contraindications when taking combinations of medications, even common ones.

Susan,
I'm glad you chimed in, but I can't find the reference to Synthroid.
Will you point it out for these old eyes, please!:p
I'm sure it's right in front of me, but I need help!
 
Susan,
I'm glad you chimed in, but I can't find the reference to Synthroid.
Will you point it out for these old eyes, please!:p
I'm sure it's right in front of me, but I need help!
Your old [eagle] eyes, Mary :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: ?!?

Well, with a quick web search, I can't find exactly what I read from when my experience occurred, which was probably about 13-14 years ago, but I did find a little bit of info in regard to "precautions," (though I didn't find "contraindications") -- including in regard to sulfa drugs, which I (and many people) are also allergic to, and lasix:

http://www.druglib.com/druginfo/levothroid/interactions_overdosage_contraindications/

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/unithroid/21210lbl.pdf

http://www.azredman.com/html/updatemeds1.html

And, Ponygirlmom, hoping you are feeling better each day.
 
Your old [eagle] eyes, Mary :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: ?!?

Well, with a quick web search, I can't find exactly what I read from when my experience occurred, which was probably about 13-14 years ago, but I did find a little bit of info in regard to "precautions," (though I didn't find "contraindications") -- including in regard to sulfa drugs, which I (and many people) are also allergic to, and lasix:

http://www.druglib.com/druginfo/levothroid/interactions_overdosage_contraindications/

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/unithroid/21210lbl.pdf

http://www.azredman.com/html/updatemeds1.html

And, Ponygirlmom, hoping you are feeling better each day.

Thank you, Susan!:):)
I was bumfuzzled :eek:and didn't know if it was me or what!:eek:
 
Thanks Mary --

It is comforting to know that Lasix provides you with relief from the symptoms. Can you shed some more light on your condition as I am trying to learn as much as possible. What symptoms did you have? How do you currently feel? Were you also prescribed steroids? Also, did your condition progress, or did it level off? I am trying to figure out what my mother can expect, and to make sure she is properly treated.

I really appreciate your time.

DSA.

I wrote a fair amount about it in this thread.

http://www.valvereplacement.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26728

When first diagnosed, the constriction was rated as moderate. I have an echo coming up next month which should give more information on whether the pericardium has thinned out since my last one. No, I never took steroids.
As I stated earlier, I am on a pretty large daily dose of Lasix. If I miss a day, I can pick up 4 pounds within 12 hours and have difficulty breathing. And that is with no exertion--just laying in bed. If your mom is only having trouble when she climbs stairs carrying something, then in my judgment she's doing pretty well.:)
 
Thanks for the information, and for referring me to the other thread. I read it, and it is very informative and helpful. I now have a list of issues to discuss with the cardiologist. I will report back after I get more information.

Thanks again. I wish you the best of luck, and hope that your next echo show improvement.

DSA.
 
Hi -- It's PonyGirlMom, answering everyone's questions:

1. NSAIDS: Nope. I guess I don't have any inflammation anywhere right now. EDIT: Remember the steroids reduce inflammation!

2. Diurietics: I'm not retaining any fluid anywhere right now. I don't think. Maybe it's hiding.

3. Lasix and Synthroid contraindication???!!! Oh, I will be SO MAD if that's true and my doctors missed it! Do you know how much money we've paid to the Mayo Clinic? THEY JUST CALLED ME TODAY FOR MORE MONEY! For that amount of money, SOMEONE should have caught that contraindication. How hard could it be to have a computer check for that kind of thing? Diuretics make me feel REALLY bad.

4. Side effects of steroids: Oh, they are so much fun! First you're hyper, then you're really tired, then you don't sleep, then.... When they lowered my dose I settled down and was a little more normal mentally and physically, but I guess I've gotten used to the lower dose because today I am totally bouncing off the walls. Boing. Boing. But I can't complain, because as drug side-effects go, this isn't too bad.
 
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