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I'm curious, if you will, could you please say how much money you were making before you could no longer work?

Before I got knocked out the work loop, I was making $423.08 a week or $22000.16 a year. Now, I get less then 2 weeks of my working pay for a whole month and that's from 1995 wages. :eek:
 
I was making about 1/3 of what you were making...

I was making about 1/3 of what you were making...

I worked 2 jobs for most of my working years, but working in retail does not pay very well at all. I would make about 200.00 per week after taxes and about the same amount weekly working a night janitorial job. For a total of about 22,000per year working 2 jobs. Not Pretty...:eek::eek::eek: And now I only get $990 per month on SSDI. Disgusting isn't it?

Err. Please excuse the title.....I meant to type 1/2 and not 1/3. Whoopsie.....LOL Silly me, my fingers were going 900 miles per keystroke...LOL
 
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I think a mailer said that I would receive 740 a month if I became disabled "today". That's pretty much not an option.

What I don't like about it other then they don't give you enough to live on is, they base it all on your work record. Mine was cut short, so I don't get the maximum amount that I should. My buddy with the constant afib gets $200 more a month then I do, but he had more years on his work record.
 
I made $9.85 per hour when i became disabled in June of 1981. I was almost 30 when i became disabled, so even though i earned quite a bit i hadn't worked that many years after i graduated from college. Now i would get almost $12,000 per year if it wasn't that i need home health care aides so i have to be on Medicaid, which means i pay a spenddown every month and live on $630.00 per month.
 
Question for you folks on disability..

Does the IRS tax your disability check? I remember when I volunteered for the IRS..:eek: as a VITA (volunteer income tax assistant) volunteer that I neglected to charge income tax on a client for her unemployment check income. I was absolutely floored that the USA government would actually TAX a person on unemployment income..:mad:
 
No, Janie....we don't get taxed for SSDI....

No, Janie....we don't get taxed for SSDI....

I think that the reason is that SSDI is not considered earned income....it's insurance. Harrybaby
 
I have been on disability since 2005. I made around 20,000 a year and my disability checks are 875.00 a month. I choose to not receive medicare for insurance so I receive my full disability check otherwise they take out 96.40
a month. My husband has great health and dental insurance so did not need medicare @ this time,plus I thought the price was high.
And yes,the IRS does tax your disability check it goes in as income. I disagree but what can you do?? NOTHING!!!! :mad: The IRS sends you a 1090 I think thats it??
 
CThrock....The do tax the SSDI????

CThrock....The do tax the SSDI????

I am curious, because when I filed for my stimulus payment, I was told that normally, because SSDI was not taxed, I wouldn't have qualified for the stimulus payment, but because the Government allowed us to use the SSDI earnings statement for 2007 as income, I would qualify for the package....Could you clarify this for me? I just want to understand which way it is, so I will know....

Thanks, I am NOT trying to debate the issue, only ask for my own knowledge. Thanks, Harrybaby:D:D:D
 
This from the IRS website..

This from the IRS website..

You may be entitled to an economic stimulus payment of up to $600 ($1,200 if married filing jointly). To get your payment, you only need to file a 2007 individual income tax return (Form 1040, 1040A, or 1040EZ). The IRS will determine whether you are eligible, figure the amount, and send you the payment. The IRS will begin sending the one-time payments in May 2008. The economic stimulus payment is in addition to any 2007 income tax refund, which will be made separately from this one-time payment.

Generally, the payment cannot be more than your 2007 net income tax liability (your regular tax liability plus any alternative minimum tax (AMT), minus any nonrefundable credits you claimed other than the child tax credit). However, your payment will be at least $300 ($600 if married filing jointly) if you meet either of the following two conditions:

1. The total of your earned income, social security benefits (including social security disability payments), tier 1 railroad retirement benefits, certain veterans benefits, and nontaxable combat pay is at least $3,000, or
2. Your total income (Form 1040, line 22; Form 1040A, line 15; or Form 1040EZ, line 4) is more than $8,750 if your filing status is single or married filing separately ($11,250 if head of household; $14,100 if qualifying widow(er); $17,500 if married filing jointly), and your net income tax liability is more than zero.
If you meet either of these conditions, you can also get an additional $300 for each of your children who is a qualifying child for the child tax credit.

You may be eligible to get a payment of $300 ($600 if married filing jointly) even if you are not required to file a return. However, you must file a return to get your payment.

To be eligible, you and your spouse each must have a valid social security number. To get the additional $300 payment for a child, the child must have a valid social security number. You are not eligible to get a payment if you can be claimed as a dependent of another taxpayer, or if you file Form 1040NR, 1040NR-EZ, 1040-PR, or 1040-SS.

If your 2007 adjusted gross income (AGI) is more than $75,000 ($150,000 if married filing jointly), your payment will be reduced by 5% of your AGI in excess of that amount.

If you qualify to receive an economic stimulus payment, you will receive a notice shortly before the payment is made. For more information, visit the IRS website at www.irs.gov and click on "Rebate Questions?" at the top of the page.
 
Thanks Janie.....I don't know why I thought

Thanks Janie.....I don't know why I thought

That SSDI was not taxed, other than the fact that I was told that it was not earned income but an insurance policy.....The government totally confuses me anyhooo.....

Thanks for the clarification Janie..(((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))) Harrybaby:D:confused::D
 
Here in Canada, the maximum amount paid to you by social assistance, as a single person is $400/month if you live with family, support for the severly handicapped is more but I have no idea how much that is exactly.

My son, who is living with us for now, isn't even getting social assistance since he disqualified himself through going back to school for a single semester to upgrade a couple of high school courses. Sick, isn't it? However, he has no bills (since he lives at home) and the insurance benefits pay for his clothing and activities. My mother receives Seniors' Benefits and an Income Supplement that gives her an income of $1500 or so a month, but she also lives here with us and has no bills, either.

Thank goodness I live in Canada where I'm not haunted by medical bills. We'd be in dire straits if we were citizens of the States.
 
I don't remeber what I was making, BUt I do know you get taxed on it. It took 3 years for mine to be approved so I got paid 3 years all at once and ended up ahaving to pay lot of taxes.
 
When you are talking about disability, I assume you are talking about what you get from the government. I also pay every month for short and long term disability from my employer, if ever I need it. Is anyone out there on that type of disability and how does it work? Funny, I pay for it every month, but I really have no clue!
 
Sorry I did'nt get back to you sooner Harrybaby666. I think your question was answered on a few of the other posts. Sorry you were told the wrong thing about no taxing of your SSD check. It is quite confusing! Are you on disability or not yet or in the future? I hope you get your questions answered. Good Luck to you.:)
 
Question for you folks on disability..

Does the IRS tax your disability check? I remember when I volunteered for the IRS..:eek: as a VITA (volunteer income tax assistant) volunteer that I neglected to charge income tax on a client for her unemployment check income. I was absolutely floored that the USA government would actually TAX a person on unemployment income..:mad:

It can be taxable income if you and your spouse make over a certain amount for the year, but for the most part, it's nontaxable.

Social Security Benefits

Because total income is limited for persons collecting Supplemental Security Income (SSI), it is the rare exception that a person collecting any portion of SSI benefits would owe income taxes. Persons receiving SSI benefits as their only source of income would not be taxed on that benefit.

However, some people who get Social Security Disability (SSD), or Social Security retirement, may have to pay income taxes on those benefits based on what other income they may be receiving. This will apply to you only if you have other substantial income in addition to your benefits (for example, wages, self-employment, interest, dividends, pension, taxable disability insurance benefits, and other taxable income that you have to report on your tax return).

Rather than provide a separate, lower tax table for Social Security benefits, the IRS provides a break by taxing only a portion of the Social Security benefits depending on the amount of other income. No one ever pays income taxes on more than 85 percent of his or her Social Security benefits and some pay on a smaller amount, based on these IRS rules:

If you file a federal tax return as an "individual" and your combined income* is between $25,000 and $34,000, you may have to pay income tax on 50 percent of your Social Security benefits.

If your combined income is above $34,000, up to 85 percent of your Social Security benefits is subject to income tax.

If you file a joint return:

You may have to pay taxes on 50 percent of your benefits if you and your spouse have a combined income* that is between $32,000 and $44,000.

If your combined income is more than $44,000, up to 85 percent of your Social Security benefits is subject to income tax.

If you are married and file a separate tax return, you probably will pay taxes on your benefits.

*Combined income is the total of your taxable pensions, wages, interest, dividends, and other taxable income, plus any tax-exempt interest income, plus half of your Social Security benefits. If that total is more than a base amount, some of your benefits will be taxable. The base amount is:

$0 for married persons filing separately who lived with their spouses at any time during the year;

$25,000 for singles, heads of households, and marrieds filing separately who didn't live with their spouses; and,

$32,000 for those who are married filing jointly.

NOTE: These dollar amounts are not indexed for inflation.

Every January you will receive a Social Security Benefit Statement (Form SSA-1099) showing the amount of benefits you received in the previous year. You can use this statement when you complete your federal income tax return to find out if your benefits are subject to tax.

Although you're not required to have federal taxes withheld from your Social Security benefits, you may find it easier than paying quarterly estimated tax payments. To have taxes withheld from your Social Security payments, you should complete IRS Form W-4V (Voluntary Withholding Request). This form is available on line at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4v.pdf or by calling the IRS at 1-800-829-3676.

On the W-4V, you can select what percentage of your monthly benefit amount you want withheld either 7%, 10%, 15% or 25%. Only these percentages can be used. Flat dollar amounts are not acceptable. After you've made your selection, sign and return the form to your local Social Security office by mail or in person.

For more information about Social Security benefits and your taxes, there are two IRS publications you will find helpful:

Publication 554, Tax Information for Older Americans and

Publication 915, Social Security Benefits and Equivalent Railroad Retirement Benefits.

You can order these by calling the Internal Revenue Service's toll-free telephone number, 1-800-829-3676, or you may access them on line at http://www.irs.gov.



Disability Insurance Benefit Payments

For private disability benefits, the IRS looks to tax either the premiums paid for the disability insurance or the benefits paid to the claimant, but not both. This can best be explained by example:

A person buys individual disability insurance from an insurance company. He/she pays the premiums with after-tax dollars, that is, the premiums are not deducted from taxable income as a business expense or otherwise. Because the premiums were included in taxable income, any benefits that person receives from the policy due to disability are not income taxable.

An employer provides short term and long term disability to all eligible employees, and provides them as an employee benefit without cost to the employees. Because the employer deducts such payments from its income as a business expense, any disability benefits received by disabled employees are fully income taxable.

An employer provides, without cost to the employees, a long term disability plan that pays 50% of their salary if disabled. Each employee has the right to additionally purchase, through payroll deduction, an additional 10% benefit to bring the total disability benefit up to 60% of income. The disability benefits are taxable in proportion to how the premiums were paid. Since the employer deducted the premiums for its coverage, any benefits received from that portion of the plan would be taxable, however, the benefit that comes from the portion the employee purchased with their after tax dollars would be income tax free.

Some employers who usually purchase long term disability for their employees will allow employees to elect to pay for their long term disability coverage with after tax dollars through payroll deduction, just for the purpose of making any future disability benefit payments tax free. If your employer offers this alternative, it is recommended that you seriously consider taking advantage of it. Having disability benefits income tax free can greatly enhance the quality of life when income is already lowered by the disability itself.

It should be noted that there is a three year look back period to this rule. This means that once you have paid the premiums with after tax dollars for three years, your benefits will be entirely tax free. If, however, you become disabled before the three years expires, your benefits will be taxable in the same proportion as the premiums paid. If you had paid the premiums for only one year and your employer paid the two prior years, only one-third of the benefit would be tax free. These rules apply to both short-term and long term disability.

As you can see from the explanations above, the taxation of disability benefits whether from Social Security or private insurance is a complicated issue. Persons starting to file taxes for the first time while on disability should either retain experienced tax counsel or take advantage of one of the many programs that offer free income tax assistance.
 
When you are talking about disability, I assume you are talking about what you get from the government. I also pay every month for short and long term disability from my employer, if ever I need it. Is anyone out there on that type of disability and how does it work? Funny, I pay for it every month, but I really have no clue!

Lisa before I got on SSDI, I had to make use of my employers short and long term disability insurance. Basically it works as they describe with short term being up to a month and then long term kicking in after that for whatever period specified which in my case was 6 months. I only got half of my normal wages during that time, but hey, something was better then nothing and it kept the utilities on!
 

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