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Sunshine susan

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I hope everyone had a great Christmas and a Happy New Year's Day! Hopefully, 2004 will be a good year for everyone! New beginnings!! I have a question however in that I wonder if anyone out thre is taking any statin drugs (cholesterol lowering)? Due to some chest pain and SOB, I had some blood tests and a stress test earlier in December. I aced the stress test, but my cholesterol is through the roof, even with a lot of good cholesterol to offset. My cardio hs recommended that I start taking a light dose of a statin drug. He claims the benefits are great, but had little to say about any side effects. My question is just has anyone out there ever taken any or ARE taking a statin and how is it going? Are there any bad side effects, etc.? Or anything else I should watch out for. I take coumadin and an osteoporosis medication, but that's it. Anyway, any information would be helpful! Thanks! Susan :cool:
 
Hello Susan,

Statins are 'generally' well tolerated although there 'may' be some side effects, particularly in the form of muscle aches or soreness and possible deterioration. There are other possibilities which I recently saw mentioned on a Bypass Support Group on Yahoo Groups but I forgot them. Your Pharmacist should be able to help you with that information. Zocor and Lipitor are the most common and there are a few others as well. Try a Google Search for those two for staters, also just 'statin drugs' or 'statins'.

'AL'
 
Hi Susan,
As Al said statins are well tolerated by many, many people.
But there are some such as my wife who can't tolerate any of them, and she has tried them all.
Some side effects were severe muscle weakness, so severe she couldn't hardly walk.
A tough thing for a lady who usually is going 100mph all day every day.
They also require a blood test about every three months since they work through the liver. If the liver is damaged it is NOT reversible.
I know you said your cholestorol is high but trust me I don't know anyone whose was worse than my wife's.
Her doctor is a cholesterol expert and he was totally shocked by her numbers.
Another thing to try and determine is this caused by diet or is it hereditary. In her case they determined it is in the genes and has little to do with her diet.
The good news is her doctor found a combination of non-statin cholesterol lowering meds that are working very well.

Rich
 
I've been on a statin for 2 years now with no problem and no side effects. A combination of the statin drug with low carbohydrate eating significantly lowered my cholesterol level.

Karlynn
 
There was an article in JAMA the AMA's journal last year about trying diet changes first:
From:
http://cardiology.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2003/905/1
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A Special Diet That Might Be As Good As a Statin
The National Cholesterol Education Program currently recommends plant sterols and viscous fibers as "therapeutic dietary options" to lower LDL cholesterol (JAMA 2001; 285:2486), and the American Heart Association highlights the potential cholesterol-lowering benefit of a diet that includes soy protein and nuts (Circulation 2000; 102:2284). However, a diet with these elements has not been compared directly with statin treatment for lowering cholesterol and C-reactive protein (CRP) levels.
Investigators in Canada randomized 46 hyperlipidemic adults (mean age, 59; mean body-mass index, 27.6; mean total cholesterol, 257 mg/dL; mean LDL cholesterol, 172 mg/dL) without histories of cardiovascular disease to one of three 1-month cholesterol-lowering regimens: a diet simply low in saturated fat (control); a low-saturated-fat diet plus lovastatin (20 mg/day); or a special low-saturated-fat diet that was high in plant sterols, soy protein, almonds, and viscous fibers (e.g., oats, barley, eggplant). All diets were vegetarian, and most foods were provided to participants.

Compared with the control group, both the statin and special-diet groups had similarly significant 1-month declines in both LDL and CRP levels. LDL decreased by 8% in the control group, by 31% in the statin group, and by 29% in the special-diet group; CRP declines were 10%, 33%, and 28%, respectively.

Comment: In this small study, a special vegetarian diet that was low in saturated fat and that included plant sterols, soy protein, viscous fibers, and nuts lowered LDL and CRP levels as much as a regimen that included a low-saturated-fat vegetarian diet plus a statin. An editorialist recommends dietary intervention as a first-line approach (about 6-12 weeks) for motivated hyperlipidemic patients without histories of cardiovascular disease. Future research should address whether the special dietary intervention in this study can improve outcomes.
>>>>

Also some say exercise helps. There is a book "Cholesterol Cures" by Prevention Magazine I've seen at the health food store.
 
STATINS

STATINS

Forwarded from BypassSurgerySupportGroup on Yahoo Groups

This is some VERY INTERESTING reading. If you are not
yet taking CoQ10 and are taking any statin, it is
recommended that you do... now!

http://www.epic4health.com/coqandstatdr.html

~~~~~~~from site above~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Statin drugs have become very popular and are being
widely prescribed in recent years to lower high blood
cholesterol and thus reduce the risk for heart
disease. These drugs block cholesterol production in
the body by inhibiting the enzyme called HMG-CoA
reductase in the early steps of its synthesis in the
mevalonate pathway. This same biosynthetic pathway is
also shared by CoQ10. Therefore, one unfortunate
consequence of statin drugs is the unintentional
inhibition of CoQ10 synthesis. Thus, in the long run,
statin drugs could predispose the patients to heart
disease by lowering their CoQ10 status, the very
condition that these drugs are intended to prevent.

Dr. Emile Bliznakov, an authority on CoQ10, recently
published a scholarly review on the interaction
between statin drugs and CoQ10 (Bliznakov and Wilkins,
1998). He wrote the best-selling book "The Miracle
Nutrient Coenzyme Q10" several years ago and it is
still being hailed as the best reference book on CoQ10
(Bliznakov, 1987).

The reduction of CoQ10 levels might be associated with
myopathy, a rare adverse effect associated with statin
drugs. This metabolic myopathy is related to
ubiquinone (CoQ10) deficiency in muscle cell
mitochondria, disturbing normal cellular respiration
and causing adverse effects such as rhabdomyolysis,
exercise intolerance, and recurrent myoglobinuria.
(DiMuro S., Exercise intolerance and the mitochondrial
respiratory chain. Ital J Neurol Sci. Dec.
1999;20(6):387-393).

It is important to note that Coenzyme Q10
supplementation does not interfere with the very
important cholesterol-lowering effect of statin drugs
such as Lipitor® and Zocor®. Therefore, if you are
taking a statin drug, (especially for an extended
period of time), you may want to consider discussing
CoQ10 supplementation with your health care
professional.

The bottom line is that the popular and widely
prescribed cholesterol lowering drugs called "Statins"
can block the synthesis of Coenzyme Q10 in the body
which may lead to sub-optimal CoQ10 levels.
Supplementation with Q-Gel CoQ-10 is a prudent
approach when undergoing "statin" therapy.

But, don't just take our word for it. One of the
world's premier Pharmaceutical Companies and the
manufacturer of the 2nd largest selling statin drug
has not one but two US Patents regarding the use of
Coenzyme Q10 with HMG-COA Reductase Inhibitors
(Statins). You can read the full contents of these
patents for yourself on the official United States
Patent and Trademark Office web site (www.uspto.gov/).
It is interesting to note that both of these patents
were issued over twelve years ago (May and June of
1990) but that no use of the patented process of
combining Coenzyme Q10 with HMG-COA Reductase
Inhibitors (Statins) has yet been made or publicized.

The Patent numbers you will want to look up are:
Patent Number: 4,933,165 Patent Number: 4,929,437

Below is a verbatim sample from Patent Number
4,933,165.

"What is claimed is:

1. A pharmaceutical composition comprising a
pharmaceutical carrier and an effective
antihypercholesterolemic amount of an HMG-CoA
reductase inhibitor and an amount of Coenzyme Q.sub.10
effective to counteract HMG-CoA reductase
inhibitor-associated skeletal muscle myopathy.

2. A composition of claim 1 in which the HMG-CoA
reductase inhibitor is selected from: lovastatin,
simvastatin, pravastatin and
sodium-3,5-dihydroxy-7-[3-(4-fluorophenyl)-1-(methylethyl)-1H-Indole-2yl]-
hept-6-enoate.

3. A method of counteracting HMG-CoA reductase
inhibitor-associated skeletal muscle myopathy in a
subject in need of such treatment which comprises the
adjunct administration of a therapeutically effective
amount of an HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor and an
effective amount of Coenzyme Q.sub.10 to counteract
said myopathy.

4. A method of claim 3 in which the HMG-CoA reductase
inhibitor is selected from the group consisting of:
lovastatin, simvastatin, pravastatin and
sodium-3,5-dihydroxy-7-[3-(4-fluorophenyl)-1-(methylethyl)-1H-Indole-2yl]-
hept-6-enoate."

To access these patents: Go to the official United
States Patent and Trademark Office web site at
(www.uspto.gov/). (We certainly hope you'll come back
to epic4health.com later!). From the Patent offices
home page "click" on the Patents button, then "click"
on "Search Patents", then click on "Patent Number
Search". Type in the patent number (4,933,165) in the
"Query Box" and "click" on the search button. The
Patent number and title will show up, then just click
on the patent number and you will be able to read the
full documentation, including who is assigned the
patent. I've probably made this whole search process
sound harder than it really is -- give it a try, you
may be surprised by what you learn.

Need More Information?

For more information on what CoQ10 is and how it
works, "click" on the "What is CoQ10?" button. For
more information on Q-Gel® CoQ10 specifically, "click"
on the "Q-Gel® CoQ10" button. Both buttons are located
on upper left hand side of the screen (you may have to
"scroll up" to see them).

*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food
&Drug Administration. These products are not intended
to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

Any questions? Please email, or, in the U.S., call:
1-800-866-0978 www.epic4health.com
 
More Statin Info

More Statin Info

Forwarded from BypassSurgeryRecoverySupport on Yahoo GroupsCopy of FAX from FDA to Merck about Zocor. They got
their hands slapped in 1997 for faulty marketing.

http://www.fda.gov/cder/warn/july97/zocor.pdf

This is back when the FDA was tougher than they are
today too. The PHARMA companies LOVE the new
commissioner for the FDA. He is pushing approvals
faster for the PHARMAs without concern for the well
being of the patient.

ed (gundy)
 
I have been on Lescol for 18 months. I tried extensive diet changes and exercise and dropped my cholesterol 10 points in 4 months. Lescol in six weeks dropped it 60!

You have to have liver function checked religiously. My PCP insists on every 6 weeks. I have had absolutely no ill effects.

BUT, my cardio says I have no other risk factors and isn't sure if I really need to be on a drug just to be on one. That said, he seems to think in the near future nearly evertone will be on statis - they apparently have assorted other benefits.
 
Our doctor will only prescribe Lipitor or Zocor because of the substantial amount of research that has been done on these two statin drugs. Al has been taking Lipitor for two years, with no problems or concerns. He also has osteoporosis and takes Fosamax weekly. We both tried many other possibilities for lowering chosesterol, including diet and herbal remedies. My cholesterol went down a little, but Al's climbed to 265. It is now at 175, with a good ratio of LDL to HDL, and triglicerides
in the acceptable range as well. There can be serious problems with statins, but both Lipitor and Zocor have good records. It is vital to be tested frequently when one begins a statin and then again every six months. I am told that if there are to be problems, they will generally surface within the first three months of starting a statin drug.

There is a new heart study that shows many benefits to taking statin drugs. I will continue to look for this and post when I find it.

Recently, my insurance company sent me a notice that the drug Crestor was available on the preferred list, thus making it cheaper for me than the Zocor that I have been taking. My doctor was not happy. He wrote on my new prescription for Zocor, "Do Not Substitute with Crestor (no substantial studies to support this change!!!)"

Wishing you success with whatever you choose.

Blanche
 

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