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rich01 said:
The biggest problem still is the high-risk minorities who have not been vaccinated, but you don't read much about that.
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I read tons about this via my news sources. Lower Black/Hispanic vaccine rates are more likely to be the result of difficulty of access, not resistance. White vaccine resistance, particularly among evangelicals, is more likely to be from resistance than difficulty of access. These are not the same things.
 
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The biggest problem still is the high-risk minorities who have not been vaccinated, but you don't read much about that.
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I wondered how long it would take to get around to Race. Rich, you have lost this battle so shut up and go lick your wounds.

BTW, I'm white, age 85, college-educated and well-to-do........and fully vaccinated. So I don't fit into any of your criticisms.......but I'm itching to take on one of you trumpnuts so let's go!!!:mad:
 
To vaccinate or not.
I got the virus April 2020 and had a battle to recover.
I am lucky to live in a first world country so as soon as it was my turn I got vaccinated with AstraZeneca.
At the end of June I went by train from Paris to Barcelona which is a 6.5 hour journey and got the virus again.
BUT the only effect I had was feeling a bit tired and a cough for a week or so.
So I say get the vac.
 
Art O Ceitinn said:
To vaccinate or not.
I got the virus April 2020 and had a battle to recover.
I am lucky to live in a first world country so as soon as it was my turn I got vaccinated with AstraZeneca.
At the end of June I went by train from Paris to Barcelona which is a 6.5 hour journey and got the virus again.
BUT the only effect I had was feeling a bit tired and a cough for a week or so.
So I say get the vac.
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That's important to note because a big part of what I consider to be the misinformation campaign is to point out to people that once you're vaccinated you can still catch it. But a lot of people don't like to do subtlety and shades of gray So there is a difference between catching it and feeling okay a week later and catching it and fighting for your life or dying.
 
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dick0236 said:
I wondered how long it would take to get around to Race. Rich, you have lost this battle so shut up and go lick your wounds.

BTW, I'm white, age 85, college-educated and well-to-do........and fully vaccinated. So I don't fit into any of your criticisms.......but I'm itching to take on one of you trumpnuts so let's go!!!:mad:
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I hope that wasn't your best shot.

I didn't make it about race, I simply stated what the statistics show. The highest risk people by proportion, who are not yet vaccinated are blacks and Hispanics. Show me where I am wrong. As I said previously, this has nothing to do with politics and now I'll add or race. To fix a problem, you first have to define and understand the problem.

Published: Jul 21, 2021​

As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.​
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cldlhd said:
That's important to note because a big part of what I consider to be the misinformation campaign is to point out to people that once you're vaccinating you can still catch it. But a lot of people don't like to do subtlety and shades of gray So there is a difference between catching it and feeling okay a week later and catching it and fighting for your life or dying.
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But he already had antibodies from when he had Covid-19. There is no way of knowing if the vaccine made any difference. If he got Covid in late June and he was in Spain, there is a good chance it was the Delta variant.
 
rich01 said:
That is a moral question I consider to be separate from whether getting vaccinated is a personal choice. I personally don't think the government has a place in either, but I don't demand that others believe as I do.

We know how to keep from becoming infected - stay away from people. For most people, this is not an option or at least not an option they choose to employ. If a person chooses not to isolate themselves because they are at high risk, what else can they do? Are they doing everything in their control to make sure they don't become infected? Do they wear an N-95 mask? Do they have their groceries delivered? I'm just making the point if a person is at high risk, they have to accept the responsibility of protecting themselves. It may not seem fair, but it is what it is.

Is it my responsibility to get vaccinated just on the chance I might become infected and might infect someone who for medical reasons was unable to be vaccinated or is immuno-compromised? Leaving morality out of it, it seems to me that the person who is immune-compromised has the responsibility to protect themselves. I believe someone who has received a transplant, gets almost no protection from the vaccine.

These are the people who should be exploring options like Ivermectin. Studies seem to indicate Vitamin D levels are also very important. The FLCCC has a preventative protocol that people can follow. Are they following the protocol?

My point is as good citizens, we all have a role to play, but the very highest priority is what the individual can do to protect themselves. Then what the parents can do to protect the family.

As I posted earlier, I did get vaccinated, but the more I learn about the vaccines, the more I think I made a mistake, even personally being at high risk.

Based on my research, I take Ivermectin weekly because I believe if I do get exposed to the Sars-cov2 virus, it will likely destroy it before it becomes Covid-19. I also take daily vitamin d, vitamin c, b-complex, zinc, and quercetin, and at the 1st sign of any sniffles, I take elderberry extract (natural antiviral). I rarely get a cold or the flu, so it seems my immune system is pretty good at fighting off viruses already, but now it is as primed as I can get it.

I have been encouraging people who are not getting vaccinated to take Ivermectin weekly as a prophylactic. I know some are deciding to just have it on hand to take at the first sign of infection.

I don't know why people see the Covid-19 vaccines in such polarized ways. I probably spend at least 2 hours a day reading updates from Israel and Britain, looking at US stats, listening to podcasts by doctors who are treating Covid-19, and trying to understand why over 1 1/2 years after Covid-19 was discovered, the US government still does not have an early treatment protocol for Covid-19.

I would suggest you refer your daughter and son-in-law to the FLCCC site for their I-Mask+ Protocol for prevention.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/
It's strange how differently people see things. If I was to get Covid-19 and become hospitalized, I don't think it would ever occur to me to blame someone who hadn't gotten vaccinated. I would be wondering what else I could have done to protect myself. Did I take unnecessary risks? If someone close to me became very ill, I would blame myself for not doing enough to protect them.
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Guess it shouldn't be a surprise, but your total self-centeredness, lack of patriotism, zero sense of community or caring about others just amazes me.
 
Michael O said:
I read tons about this via my news sources. Lower Black/Hispanic vaccine rates are more likely to be the result of difficulty of access, not resistance. White vaccine resistance, particularly among evangelicals, is more likely to be from resistance than difficulty of access. These are not the same things.
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So does the difficulty of access reduce infection rates?

Does the Tuskegee Experiment ring a bell? How about the CDC withholding information about the MMR vaccine causing autism in black kids? Maybe African Americans have a reason to be skeptical of the government.
 
lilyofthewest said:
Guess it shouldn't be a surprise, but your total self-centeredness, lack of patriotism, zero sense of community or caring about others just amazes me.
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I know that was meant to be insulting, but it's not. I prefer to debate facts and have no reason to insult others or call them names.
 
rich01 said:
So does the difficulty of access reduce infection rates?

Does the Tuskegee Experiment ring a bell? How about the CDC withholding information about the MMR vaccine causing autism in black kids? Maybe African Americans have a reason to be skeptical of the government.
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The MMR > autism link has been utterly and comprehensively debunked. I won't argue that point any more than I'll argue with flat earthers or lizard people conspirators.

KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: June 2021 " Consistent with previous research, unvaccinated Hispanic and Black adults are more likely than White adults to cite worries about missing work and having to pay for the vaccine as major reasons for not being vaccinated. "

"By partisanship, larger shares of unvaccinated Republicans than Democrats say they don’t want or need the vaccine, they don’t trust the government, or don’t believe the vaccines are safe. Larger shares of unvaccinated Democrats than Republicans say they are too busy, don’t like getting shots, or are worried about missing work." [Emphasis mine]

Look at the chart " Table 1: Major Reasons Why Unvaccinated Adults Have Not Gotten A COVID-19 Vaccine " specifically the " Don’t trust the government " line. Trusting the government is not a major factor in low black/hispanic vaccination rates.
 
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Michael O said:
I read tons about this via my news sources. Lower Black/Hispanic vaccine rates are more likely to be the result of difficulty of access, not resistance. White vaccine resistance, particularly among evangelicals, is more likely to be from resistance than difficulty of access. These are not the same things.
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I don’t know about that. The Detroit media outlets covered this earlier and minority populations in the city were very resistant to the idea of getting vaccinated. So much so that several places running vaccination clinics to improve access were finding non-minority populations were coming in from the suburbs to take advantage while they couldn’t get the target audience to participate. Some fears cited (and rightly so I think) included a general distrust of the “experimental” nature of the vaccine driven in part by how the minority community had been treated in the past.

subscriber access unfortunately.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/7194298002
In the heart of a city that’s 80% black:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/7028030002
 
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rich01 said:
But he already had antibodies from when he had Covid-19. There is no way of knowing if the vaccine made any difference. If he got Covid in late June and he was in Spain, there is a good chance it was the Delta variant.
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But what's your point? Yes there is no way of knowing if the vaccine made a difference unless you can get the special DeLorean and go back in time and convince him not to get to vaccine and have him go get infected again and compare it... Point is there's a very reasonable assumption to be made that the vaccine likely gave its immune system a boost regarding the virus and even if he already had any bodies obviously the vaccine didn't hurt.
rich01 said:
So does the difficulty of access reduce infection rates?

Does the Tuskegee Experiment ring a bell? How about the CDC withholding information about the MMR vaccine causing autism in black kids? Maybe African Americans have a reason to be skeptical of the government.
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I believe that was quite a few years ago. I'm not against skepticism but reasonable rational skepticism. The idea that the African-American gentleman getting the vaccine at the same place I'm getting it at the same time is somehow being experimented on sort of beggars belief
 
Superman said:
I don’t know about that. The Detroit media outlets covered this earlier and minority populations in the city were very resistant to the idea of getting vaccinated.

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Agreed - no question that this was an issue early on, but that specific reason seems to be cited less and less, thankfully.

Anecdotally, real vaccine resistance (as opposed to perceived access difficulty) in the Black community is being broken down by social pressures from other Black people to "not behave like MAGA wants us to".
 
cldlhd said:
But what's your point? Yes there is no way of knowing if the vaccine made a difference unless you can get the special DeLorean and go back in time and convince him not to get to vaccine and have him go get infected again and compare it... Point is there's a very reasonable assumption to be made that the vaccine likely gave its immune system a boost regarding the virus and even if he already had any bodies obviously the vaccine didn't hurt.

I believe that was quite a few years ago. I'm not against skepticism but reasonable rational skepticism. The idea that the African-American gentleman getting the vaccine at the same place I'm getting it at the same time is somehow being experimented on sort of beggars belief
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The gist of the post was he was thankful he got vaccinated because it resulted in a mild case of covid. My response was that it might have been the fact he already had antibodies. I don't think there is definitive information yet.
 
cldlhd said:
Okay regarding the facts you still haven't enlightened us as to what side effects you received from getting vaccinated
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I never said I had or didn't have side effects. It has nothing to do with the discussion. What I said was Ivermectin has few if any side effects.

Go to the VAERS database and compare the reported side effects to the side effect of Ivermectin. Or compare the side effects of ivermectin to those of Remdesivir.
 
" Go to the VAERS database " BS comparison. From the VAERS page itself : "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable..... VAERS welcomes all reports, regardless of seriousness, and regardless of how likely the vaccine may have been to have caused the adverse event. "

I can report that the vaccine made me grow wings and it goes in the dbase as a reported adverse effect.
 
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