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Interesting. I don't understand the reference to Linus Pauling. So he was a great scientist. But what did he have to do with vitamin C?

Also, I had never heard that C can cause kidney stones. So, in my Google research, I came across the following:
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v09n05.shtml

BTW, I wonder about "guest" posting this kind of content.

Again, what are your sources? I just started retaking multi viitamin after being told to stop them after surgery, and I use to take 500mg of C daily, I would like to start taking C again, but not at the risk of kidney stones. I have had kidney stone pain and wish to avoid that in my future
 

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FredW;n874261 said:
Interesting. I don't understand the reference to Linus Pauling. So he was a great scientist. But what did he have to do with vitamin C?
Linus Pauling did a ton of research into vitamin C and advocated people taking high doses of it. Here's a link to just one of the books he wrote about it: https://www.amazon.com/How-Live-Lon...&qid=1489142573&sr=8-1&keywords=linus+pauling

I don't take a massivley high dose of C myself as it can upset my stomach, even taking vitamin C as magnesium ascorbate which is gentler on the stomach can lead to upset bowels, but I probably get in a total of about 1 gram a day in divided doses, plus I eat a lot of green veggies which have C in them. It's supposed to help the vascular system as well as many other propeties. The good thing, or perhaps the wasteful thing, is that if you get too much C you just pee it out !
 

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Hi Fred - I never knew they could cause kidney stones. I just had a look on the net, seems to be something to do with oxalates, and men ? But reading that link you posted above, it would seem that the incidence of stones with vitamin C is either very low or not really proved or associated with other things !
 

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FredW;n874261 said:
Interesting. I don't understand the reference to Linus Pauling. So he was a great scientist. But what did he have to do with vitamin C?
We studied him when I was doing my biochem degree in the 80's ...

Some basic reading on him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling#Medical_research_and_vitamin_C_advocacy


On his Vitamin C "fetish"

https://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html

http://www.yalescientific.org/2015/03/mythbusters-does-vitamin-c-really-help/

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7547741/vitamin-c-myth-pauling
 

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Fred, I'm on a cocktail that has reduced my lipoprotein (a) from 60ish to the mid 20s. I don't have the reference at hand. Such a low dose wouldn't cause harm. But, if you're predisposed to kidney stones anyway...

A couple of oranges a day may be the way to go.
 

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Agian;n874289 said:
Fred, I'm on a cocktail that has reduced my lipoprotein (a) from 60ish to the mid 20s. I don't have the reference at hand. Such a low dose wouldn't cause harm. But, if you're predisposed to kidney stones anyway...

A couple of oranges a day may be the way to go.
Woah, woah, woah -- you actually lowered your LP(a) by that much? I had thought that the whole idea of being able to do anything about one's LP(a) was considered "wishful thinking".

i get my LP(a) checked soon, but I am assuming it will be found to be sky-high considering my CAC score. Had figured it would be one of those "neener neener" things I could do nothing about despite radical changes in diet and exercise, that the heart diseamon would laugh about while it kicked me in the mud and urinated on me forever.

How did you lower it?
 

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Nocturne;n874305 said:
Woah, woah, woah -- you actually lowered your LP(a) by that much? I had thought that the whole idea of being able to do anything about one's LP(a) was considered "wishful thinking".
Where did you get that idea from? Evolocumab decreases it by 30%, Ezetimibe, Niacin, DHEA (precursor to Testosterone). Flaxseed, almonds etc etc.

Get it checked along with Homocysteine, DHEA, CRP and post your results.

Yes, it's possible. I put a lot of work into it.
 

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Pauling responded to concerns about C (ascorbate) and kidney stones in his books. There are 2 main kinds of kidney stones: One kind is more likely to form in higher-pH blood/fluids, and the other in lower-pH blood/fluids. Pauling suggested that if you know which kind you're prone to, you should decrease your risk WITH VITAMIN C!!

The trick is that what we call Vitamin C, the active bit, is the ascorbate ion, NOT just Ascorbic Acid (which is Hydrogen Ascorbate). That is a weak acid, and it will lower your blood's/fluids' pH (which will make you more prone to the low-pH stones but less prone to the high-pH stones). But if you take your C as Sodium Ascorbate or Calcium Ascorbate -- both readily available in bulk crystals from Bronson and others -- those will both RAISE your blood's/fluids' pH, which will have the opposite effect.

Pauling himself followed an intermediate path, and I usually do too: He combined each gram of pure ascorbic acid crystals (the cheapest form) with 1/4 gram of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), which neutralized most of the Ascorbic Acid's acidity, but not all. Together in water, the two also make a nice fizzy little beverage, a bit like Alka Seltzer. Like LP, I usually drink it while it's still fizzing. (I'm saying "usually" because I accidentally bought a Kilogram (2.2 pounds!) of Sodium Ascorbate crystals from Bronson online a couple of months ago, so it will probably be a few years before I use that up and go back to my "usual"!!!)
 

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