How to Slow Rapid Heartbeat?

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Homeskillet

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Below is a text I received today from a holistic student:


Get some cayenne pepper capsules right away from Vitamin Shoppe

Take 1 capsule with 8oz watertwice a day with curcumin.

Cayenne pepper increases micro vascular circulation. It also heals heart tissue.
(This will stop a heart attack in its tracks)

Cayenne pepper is the richest plant source of magnesium on the planet.

Next, get this from Costco.

“COQ10”....It ramps up mitochondrial energy in the cardio vascular region fast.
Very critical for the heart to beat evenly.

Congestive heart failure is when the lower left ventricle is not beating at the same speed as the other valves. If this is happening, you will start to have shortness of breath or even fluid build up in the lungs.

According to Dr. Davis Lamson, 400 mg of CoQ10 can pull a patient out of congestive heart failure within an hour. (It doesn’t hurt to take more)

There are three other supplements for you to start taking right away:

D Ribose
L- Carnitine
Vitamin C

Do Not buy the cheap vitamin C.the one with Rose hips and bioflavonoids or liposomal vitamin c.

“LPa” “lipo protein a” is a heart attack marker along with elevated C -reactive protein.

**(Homeskillet): Not sure if I can take the cayenne pepper & circumin due to warfarin (?). Nevertheless, there are some cardiologists who do tout these supplements in addition to beta-blockers, etc. But wanted to get the heart guru’s input from this forum🤔.
 

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Holistic "medicine" did a fine job of nearly killing a friend of mines mother. I'm sorry but my vote is go with proper science not "rose hip vitamin C"

I agree completely Pell, just searching for something that I can perhaps add to clinical meds.
 

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Exactly. As I read his post I thought, “Man, who is this guy—really knows his stuff!” Of course, you’re no slouch either 😉.
You guys flatter me. I just read a lot of research articles when my cardio people decided I needed a pacemaker, and then asked pertinent questions when I saw the surgeon and more recently the cardiologist on the heart function team.

Speaking of which...I haven't seen you mention being on an ACE inhibitor; standard (and well researched) practice with a reduced ef is to use a beta blocker, an ACE inhibitor such as ramipril (Altace) and a mild diuretic like spironolactone. That combo is very effective at boosting ef and lowering mortality. I would be asking about that proven approach before even considering the "holistic" options. Keep us posted!
 

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Below is a text I received today from a holistic student:
I'm a big believer in supplements, but they are medicine and shouldn't be taken without the advice of someone who really knows the disease, knows the current medications you are on, and knows how the supplements will effect the medications. I take many supplements, but my integrative doc is my partner in taking them. My cardiologist wouldn't have the slighest idea if they are good or bad.

That said, for many people on a statin, coq10 can help reduce side effects.
 

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About a year or so ago I had episodes of rapid heart beat that were disconcerting and also I felt like I couldn't breathe fully, almost like wheezing, and I got worried enough that I had a stress echo which revealed strong exercise tolerance. I guess it was all anxiety or maybe some kind of weird allergies or infection that passed? I got nervous because that "I can't breathe" feeling was my primary symptom when I had mitral stenosis (and that I laughed off for probably too long).

I have no other history with anxiety . . . It is tough to discriminate and it sounds like you have been through the wronger with your repeat surgeries so anxiety is understandable. Heartmath may have some useful tools for your original question how to calm your heartbeat, regular practice will determine if your heart rate can be slowed in this way. https://www.heartmath.com/
 

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You guys flatter me. I just read a lot of research articles when my cardio people decided I needed a pacemaker, and then asked pertinent questions when I saw the surgeon and more recently the cardiologist on the heart function team.

Speaking of which...I haven't seen you mention being on an ACE inhibitor; standard (and well researched) practice with a reduced ef is to use a beta blocker, an ACE inhibitor such as ramipril (Altace) and a mild diuretic like spironolactone. That combo is very effective at boosting ef and lowering mortality. I would be asking about that proven approach before even considering the "holistic" options. Keep us posted!
I put a call into cardio after I read your post. Will see what they do when they call back & let y’all know. Thanks again.
 

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I'm a big believer in supplements, but they are medicine and shouldn't be taken without the advice of someone who really knows the disease, knows the current medications you are on, and knows how the supplements will effect the medications. I take many supplements, but my integrative doc is my partner in taking them. My cardiologist wouldn't have the slighest idea if they are good or bad.

That said, for many people on a statin, coq10 can help reduce side effects.
I have found that most of the medical world merely winks at supplements as a money gimmick. And, for all I know they may be right. I do understand (& agree) that without serious clinical trials and observation for years the science just isn’t there. But, neither do they seem to think they will harm me. I do understand to watch out for supplements w. ginger, etc. for INR purposes. Will see what they say later in the month when I see cardio.
 

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About a year or so ago I had episodes of rapid heart beat that were disconcerting and also I felt like I couldn't breathe fully, almost like wheezing, and I got worried enough that I had a stress echo which revealed strong exercise tolerance. I guess it was all anxiety or maybe some kind of weird allergies or infection that passed? I got nervous because that "I can't breathe" feeling was my primary symptom when I had mitral stenosis (and that I laughed off for probably too long).

I have no other history with anxiety . . . It is tough to discriminate and it sounds like you have been through the wronger with your repeat surgeries so anxiety is understandable. Heartmath may have some useful tools for your original question how to calm your heartbeat, regular practice will determine if your heart rate can be slowed in this way. https://www.heartmath.com/
Thanks for the link. Will check it out. And, yes, my feelings of lethargy & no steam (from the beta blocker) does indeed feel very similar to my presurgery days...which certainly gets my attention.

A holistic Dr. made a point to me today that seems to make sense. He said he suspects that scar tissue is forming in the heart due to the surgeries & is thus compromising the heart output. After my second surgery that was the main issue my surgeon told me about. He said the scarring from my first surgery was absolutely off the charts. My suspicion is that pannus has indeed returned w. a vengeance—which is lowering the output of my heart & I have NO idea what to do about it other than stay away from inflammatory foods (?).
 

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I have found that most of the medical world merely winks at supplements as a money gimmick. And, for all I know they may be right. I do understand (& agree) that without serious clinical trials and observation for years the science just isn’t there. But, neither do they seem to think they will harm me. I do understand to watch out for supplements w. ginger, etc. for INR purposes. Will see what they say later in the month when I see cardio.
Supplements are both unknown in their effectiveness and also in the harm they can do. On the subject of supplements, my GP said once in the 1980s, "You're free to waste your money anyway you want to, but my advice is to eat a varied diet and eat in moderation. If you are traveling and cannot eat a varied diet, a straight multivitamin could be helpful."

Ginger is a good example, used as an enhancement to food's taste, not as a supplemental drug, per Cleveland clinic, there is no harm to warfarin patients.
 

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Homeskillet -- I suspect that you can find a good cardiologist who is less than five hours away. Maybe the cardiac surgery nurses at your local hospital (if you have one) can give you some names of cardiologists (not necessarily cardiac surgeons) who you can consider - or the cardiac surgeons can recommend a cardiologist or two who is really on his or her game.

As far as supplements -- my neurologist suggested taking Turmeric. My cardiologist wants me to take magnesium. SOME supplements DO seem to have the approval of physicians.
 

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Supplements are both unknown in their effectiveness and also in the harm they can do. On the subject of supplements, my GP said once in the 1980s, "You're free to waste your money anyway you want to, but my advice is to eat a varied diet and eat in moderation. If you are traveling and cannot eat a varied diet, a straight multivitamin could be helpful."

Ginger is a good example, used as an enhancement to food's taste, not as a supplemental drug, per Cleveland clinic, there is no harm to warfarin patients.
Interesting about Ginger. All I know is the Coumadin clinic lady (I actually have VERY good NPR who emphasizes continuing education) told me to stay away from that & Ginko Biloba (sp?) inasmuch as she said she does see those 2 consistently raise INR. But, if Cleveland Clinic is saying that—I would definitely stick w. them.
 

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Homeskillet -- I suspect that you can find a good cardiologist who is less than five hours away. Maybe the cardiac surgery nurses at your local hospital (if you have one) can give you some names of cardiologists (not necessarily cardiac surgeons) who you can consider - or the cardiac surgeons can recommend a cardiologist or two who is really on his or her game.

As far as supplements -- my neurologist suggested taking Turmeric. My cardiologist wants me to take magnesium. SOME supplements DO seem to have the approval of physicians.
True. In fact, Dr. Sinatra is a renowned cardiologist & he highly touts “The Big Four” of absorbable CoQ10 (ubiquinol), broad spectrum magnesium, d-ribose & l-carnitine. However, it has to be taken at certain mg. to be effective from what I understand (e.g., 400mg of CoQ10).
 

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As far as supplements -- my neurologist suggested taking Turmeric. My cardiologist wants me to take magnesium. SOME supplements DO seem to have the approval of physicians.
WARFARIN interferes with TUMERIC, do not take if if you are on the Pill, 100% BAD interaction
Magnesium is VERY GOOD for humans, since our diets tend to be full/packed with Sodium, which is everywhere you look becuase
is added to "enhance" acquired taste.
 

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Interesting about Ginger. All I know is the Coumadin clinic lady (I actually have VERY good NPR who emphasizes continuing education) told me to stay away from that & Ginko Biloba (sp?) inasmuch as she said she does see those 2 consistently raise INR. But, if Cleveland Clinic is saying that—I would definitely stick w. them.
GINGKO interacts badly with Warfarin, do not take if if you are on the pill;
Tumeric, Gingko and GrapeJuice have out of control interactions with Warfarin,
Is not like eating broccoli that you can compensate Vit K with more Warfarin
Those 3, can not be controlled,
 

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I think you meant Grapefruit Juice (not Grape). Grapefruit interacts with a lot of medications. Cranberries and Cranberry Juice are also No-Nos. A few months ago, I posted a list of herbs and food products that interact with Warfarin.

When I get a chance, I'll look for it.
 

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I think you meant Grapefruit Juice (not Grape). Grapefruit interacts with a lot of medications. Cranberries and Cranberry Juice are also No-Nos. A few months ago, I posted a list of herbs and food products that interact with Warfarin.

When I get a chance, I'll look for it.
I’d like to see that list please.
 
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