Covid Vaccines

My apologies for not listing all the bad behavior over the past few years that has bothered me. Unlike the former president, my contention is that there are bad people on both sides. It’s all bad behavior and you aren’t helping with continuing to try to flame the debate and assign beliefs / arguments to people about things they didn’t comment on. Knock it off.

P.S. who are you to tell me to knock it off?

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I’m Superman.

Superman said:

I’m Superman.

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See, you got the best handle of all, because when it really comes down to it, that trumps everything!

CDC warns against use of anti-parasitic drug ivermectin for Covid-19, as calls to poison control centers increase

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article253739053.html

cldlhd said:

Weren't those other vaccines more effective also because they were mandated? I mean if only 50 to 60% of the population took a polio vaccine would it have been eradicated?
Also isn't it difficult to do an apples to apples comparison because not all viruses are equally contagious? I mean if you're willing to give other treatments the benefit of the doubt and cite studies why are you so against the vaccines which, while not perfect, are shown to be very effective? A vaccine and, if it fails and you have a breakthrough infection, subsequent treatment of infection aren't mutually exclusive.

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Another thing about Polio that few people seem to know, was that it was once called a 'rich man's disease.' Polio was endemic in society. 'Poor' people were probably exposed to it while they were young, and most children who caught it were asymptomatic and just got through it (although, of course, there were still kids in Iron Lungs, breathing for them).
People who were 'privileged' and didn't live with the rabble didn't get exposed to Polio. When they DID finally get it, as adults, it did a lot more damage to their bodies.
FDR, perhaps a poster boy for polio, didn't get Polio until he was an adult, and lost the use of his legs.

I remember the Nationwide programs to vaccinate for Polio - both the Sabin and the Salk vaccines. One was a shot in the arm, the other was vaccine on a sugar cube. I had both.

A vaccine is only as effective as the percentage of the population taking it. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work differently from the J&J. The vaccines don't guarantee that a person who has been vaccinated WON'T get Covid - only that, if they do, the likelihood that they need hospitalization or die from it is drastically reduced.

My wife and I will probably get the Pfizer booster, when it's time to take it.

I still can't figure out how Microsoft gets those tracking chips into the small vials of vaccine. How a chip gets into each syringe. How the chip gets through that tiny needle, and how, somehow, this microscopic chip figures out WHO it has gotten into, how to disrupt bodily functions, how it can communicate with some evil spy organization, perhaps how it also makes you fluorescent and maybe even magnetic, and how this chip is powered.

It's amazing what some people - who haven't yet been turned into Zombies by the vaccine - actually believe.

If you consider that requiring people to take the Covid-19 vaccine is the government overreaching, we could look back at the Polio vaccination programs in the 50s and 60s. We can look at Elementary schools requiring that their students be vaccinated for a number of diseases (including Smallpox, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, tetanus, measles, and others) before they allow them into school.

Are governments overreaching when they require us to stop at red lights or stop signs? Is it an overreach, even, to have signal lights -- isn't this a public health measure (to keep cars from crashing into each other and causing death and injury)? In fact, why even paint crosswalks or require drivers to recognize them, so their cars don't mow down children and adults who make the mistake of trying to cross the street?

Is the Government overreaching by providing health care for those who can't afford it, or by forcing quarantines on the poor souls who have certain contagious diseases?

How has the myth about vaccinations causing Autism, which has been disproven many times, remained a rallying cry against ANY vaccinations?

Perhaps the anti-vaxers will become the next population that will earn the Darwin Award. They may eventually give Covid to themselves and other anti-vaxers and, over time, eliminate this ignorant, biased population.

Yeah - I'll get some responses to this one. But you guys can just take off your masks, go to events where you and others don't have to wear masks, and take your chances.

Superman said:

You might want to edit your racial epithet against white people. Generally used against poor southern white people per Miriam Webster. No excuse for that.

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That's Merriam Webster. Miriam was his wife.

Protimenow said:

That's Merriam Webster. Miriam was his wife.

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Her dictionary may not be as well known, but it’s just as valid. It’s a sexist world we live in.

Protimenow said:

I still can't figure out how Microsoft gets those tracking chips into the small vials of vaccine. How a chip gets into each syringe. How the chip gets through that tiny needle, and how, somehow, this microscopic chip figures out WHO it has gotten into, how to disrupt bodily functions, how it can communicate with some evil spy organization, perhaps how it also makes you fluorescent and maybe even magnetic, and how this chip is powered.

It's amazing what some people - who haven't yet been turned into Zombies by the vaccine - actually believe.

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As I said to one of my friends who claimed that Bill Gates was inserting such devices into us all via the vaccine- If he's truly smart enough to engineer all that, then by all means, let him run the world by controlling us all with his nanites. Perhaps he will be a benevolent dictator

This is a very good presentation by Eric Strong from Stanford University Medical School. He does an excellent job of debunking many of the myths and conspiracies about the Covid vaccine, which a very small minority of posters here are trying to propagate.

I haven't read through the hundreds of posts in this thread, so I hope it's clear that I wasn't directing my comments at anyone here.

It was a general observation about people who believe the ridiculous stuff that certain people believe about vaccinations.

Protimenow said:

I haven't read through the hundreds of posts in this thread, so I hope it's clear that I wasn't directing my comments at anyone here.

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my view is that if you don't quote someone you're not referring to them

Up here in semi-rural MI, the ivermectin thing has kind of a funny dynamic. The exact group that's most likely to advocate its use is being most affected by its shortage.

Superman said:

I’m Superman.

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Yer also a guy holding a big frosty mug of beer toasting us all here on valvereplacement.org!

FOR DUTY AND HUMANITY!!!!!!

My favorite toast btw. For those not familiar with it, it was coined by these 3 wise men:

My favorite way to end a message, or a phone call, is to used TTFN.

This is short for Tata for now -- something Stan Laurel (half of Laurel and Hardy) said in one of his shorts.

It's become a standard for me.

I didn't adopt the way that Rod Steiger, playing the Chief of Police in In the Heat of the Night answered his phone -- 'talk to me.' I thought about it, especially if I don't recognize the caller's phone number.

Yes, I agree - but even though I don't give attribution to the ideas that they come up with, it's an 'if the shoe fits' issue -- even if you don't specifically quote someone, it still doesn't mean that you're referring to the statements that they've made.

And talking about 'Anti-vaxers,' and stating some of their concerns, is still valid, even if you're quoting from a group, rather than an individual.

Protimenow said:

even if you don't specifically quote someone, it still doesn't mean that you're referring to the statements that they've made.

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I see

Everyone saw what they wanted to see.

Art O Ceitinn said:

You could tell their politics by looking at them? I saw a lot of right wing extremists commiting false flag operations.

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This sounds exactly like what crazy right wingers were saying about the January 6th Capital raid. “Oh, this was Antifa pretending to be us!”

I’ll say it again. Bad behavior is bad behavior. I oppose all of it. Saying a group behaved badly is not condoning another groups bad behavior.

I guess I have to create an excel file with a list of all the bad behavior I can think of and attach it to all posts going forward.

I think rioting and burning and looting are bad, therefore I must think raiding the capital and being neo-nazi’s are good or at least tolerable!?! Holy leaps in logic. What’s wrong with people these days?

And I thought we were not allowed to talk politics. I am getting out my little red book.

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Agreed, but I will defend myself when being lumped in with various extremists. The OP even asked for this thread to be deleted. Doesn’t seem to be any moderation anymore.

Here's a commentary that you all may find interesting Stop Blaming the Unvaccinated (medscape.com)

A quote: ...we need to examine what has occurred in nations with significantly higher vaccination rates than ours (the UK and Israel) to realize that variants have overrun the dramatic success achieved in those countries as well. Israel, once considered to be the most vaccinated country in the world, is facing a brutal fourth wave of COVID that has sent the country spiraling into another heartbreaking lockdown.