Aren't the values of prisoners interesting..abusers,rapists,serial killers,none
do well in general population.I believe the guards and prisoners are in concert
on some of these occurrences. I must say,I would be too
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do well in general population.I believe the guards and prisoners are in concert
on some of these occurrences. I must say,I would be too
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Lisa in Katy
I worked in the Texas prison system and I know that child abusers are at the bottom of the totem pole, at least in men's prisons. I would think it would be the same in women's prisons. Rapists of women of reasonable age (not too young or old) are actually okay since in many inmates' opinions, the woman was "asking for it" or "enjoyed it". However, since William Wayne Justice got hold of our prisons many years ago, prison is way too easy. They don't have to work, they get air conditioning and television (even cable), 3 decent meals a day, and plenty of free time. That's too good for these animals.
I think I'm going to stop reading the paper and watching the news. On the current online Houston Chronicle headlines, 6 of the first 10 are about terrible things, 3 are Washington, and 1 is the jobless rate. Isn't there anything good to write about?
I think I'm going to stop reading the paper and watching the news. On the current online Houston Chronicle headlines, 6 of the first 10 are about terrible things, 3 are Washington, and 1 is the jobless rate. Isn't there anything good to write about?
If this is the case, I changed my mind and let them be with the prisoners who have the highest morals
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PairoDocs
Well-known member
I agree that the crime against that child was horrid beyond belief. How could any parent not stop doing that when a little girl says, "I love you."? I know that I would instantly stop--long before the beating ever started. How could they not stop? I suggest a possible reason--not a valid excuse in my mind, just an explanation.
My theory is that since elective pregnancy termination is not only not illegal, but actively supported by some political parties, it follows that the younger the children, the less value they have in the eyes of society (i.e. the degree of criminality of deeds against kids below age 7 is less than that against older kids pointed out by abbanabba--I assume it's some sort of Australian legislation). While the great majority of sane people see kids as having value no matter what their ages, there are some who believe that elective abortion should apply to all ages, pre-birth, birth, and post-birth. After all, what difference is there? The baby before birth is inside the mother, and after birth is outside the mother. The kid is equally alive in both cases. What logic says a living person before birth is any different from a living person after birth? Our laws say there is a difference, but really is there? Pro-life people believe in human value at all stages of life, but what of others? Where does personhood start and end? While most pro-choice people see kids as valuable humans, there are frightenly more than a few who extend the logic of legal pregnancy termination to (what should be legal in their minds) child termination since the the only difference is the child's degree of dependency on the mother for survival.
It's a horrid thought, but I can see the warped logic that may have led to this tragedy. This couple for some insane reason decided to 'terminate' their pregnancy several years late. Since the methods of elective pregnancy termination are usually brutal to the fetal or embryonic child, so was their 'post' birth method. Right now I'm pretty upset about our dog's life hanging in the balance, so I'm a bit extra upset right now. When somebody brutalizes a child for whatever reason, it's a horrid crime.
As for those parents, maybe ten or so relatives with bad tempers (cruelty probably runs in the family a bit) who loved Grace could be placed in a nice large room with lots of stuff that could be used to do some hurt to the two responsible for this crime. Then the authorities would just leave, promising them that there would be no legal consequences to whatever they choose to do over a period of a few days. I'm not sure what would happen. It could range from ghastly agonizing deaths to forgiveness all around.
Of course I'm angry. In God's eyes, even that brutality can be forgiven, and I should have that attitude, as should anyone else who realizes they are saved by God's grace. What probably would be more just would be to neuter and spay them (yes I know it's the veterinary terms, but to these "animals" it applies), so they cannot ever have another 'unwanted' child again. Then the prison terms could start... During that time they could teach others by example to never do what they did, and perhaps could find peace with God somehow. I hope my statements aren't too upsetting, but I can't stand seeing kids of any age (including unborn) being brutalized and their lives cut short. I hope in my own anger I do not sin, because even the so-called 'righteous indignation' can be warped to evil. I guess the best thing I can do is pray for the couple and hope that whatever happens from here on out, it results in change for the better--and perhaps convince other people whose lives hang in the balance between love and cruelty to choose love.
Chris
My theory is that since elective pregnancy termination is not only not illegal, but actively supported by some political parties, it follows that the younger the children, the less value they have in the eyes of society (i.e. the degree of criminality of deeds against kids below age 7 is less than that against older kids pointed out by abbanabba--I assume it's some sort of Australian legislation). While the great majority of sane people see kids as having value no matter what their ages, there are some who believe that elective abortion should apply to all ages, pre-birth, birth, and post-birth. After all, what difference is there? The baby before birth is inside the mother, and after birth is outside the mother. The kid is equally alive in both cases. What logic says a living person before birth is any different from a living person after birth? Our laws say there is a difference, but really is there? Pro-life people believe in human value at all stages of life, but what of others? Where does personhood start and end? While most pro-choice people see kids as valuable humans, there are frightenly more than a few who extend the logic of legal pregnancy termination to (what should be legal in their minds) child termination since the the only difference is the child's degree of dependency on the mother for survival.
It's a horrid thought, but I can see the warped logic that may have led to this tragedy. This couple for some insane reason decided to 'terminate' their pregnancy several years late. Since the methods of elective pregnancy termination are usually brutal to the fetal or embryonic child, so was their 'post' birth method. Right now I'm pretty upset about our dog's life hanging in the balance, so I'm a bit extra upset right now. When somebody brutalizes a child for whatever reason, it's a horrid crime.
As for those parents, maybe ten or so relatives with bad tempers (cruelty probably runs in the family a bit) who loved Grace could be placed in a nice large room with lots of stuff that could be used to do some hurt to the two responsible for this crime. Then the authorities would just leave, promising them that there would be no legal consequences to whatever they choose to do over a period of a few days. I'm not sure what would happen. It could range from ghastly agonizing deaths to forgiveness all around.
Of course I'm angry. In God's eyes, even that brutality can be forgiven, and I should have that attitude, as should anyone else who realizes they are saved by God's grace. What probably would be more just would be to neuter and spay them (yes I know it's the veterinary terms, but to these "animals" it applies), so they cannot ever have another 'unwanted' child again. Then the prison terms could start... During that time they could teach others by example to never do what they did, and perhaps could find peace with God somehow. I hope my statements aren't too upsetting, but I can't stand seeing kids of any age (including unborn) being brutalized and their lives cut short. I hope in my own anger I do not sin, because even the so-called 'righteous indignation' can be warped to evil. I guess the best thing I can do is pray for the couple and hope that whatever happens from here on out, it results in change for the better--and perhaps convince other people whose lives hang in the balance between love and cruelty to choose love.
Chris
abbanabba
Well-known member
After reading this thread yesterday there was a report on the news here of a 35y/o man who threw his 4y/o daughter off Melbourne's equivalent of the Sydney Harbour Bridge in front of his 6 and 8 year old sons. Apparently he and his wife were involved in some kind of custody dispute and that was his solution. The poor little thing survived the 60m fall and even with massive internal injuries she survived long enough for the coastguards to pick her up, but sadly died soon after.
So very sad.
So very sad.
Little ones are angels and anyone who harms them is definitely evil and devilish!
terodac
Well-known member
I did read that and saw it on TV, she is smiling in court? Sick!! I don't know which one is worst Caylee or Baby Grace, they are both horriable! That broke my heart that any woman would put her baby in that position for a man! Ten things she had to do?? Her attention span wasn't that long! Sad very sad! I hope she gets hers in prison! They don't like child abusers there!
geckley
Well-known member
Cut his feet and through over board at the Great Barrier Reef. Still got great whites there right? I know if anybody hurt any of my children an 2 on them are adults now, they wouldn't make it to trial. This world is a sick place. He we are, fighting for our lives and people out there think life is disposable. Sorry, it really disturbs me every time I see my baby in the morning and thne see the news. What kind of society did I bring him into?
Kathy McCain
Well-known member
Baby Grace
Lisa,
Yes, I am very familiar with the case, seeing I live in Texas. I feel EXACTLY LIKE YOU ! If anybody deserved to die it's those two! I believe in the death penalty when someone is CONVICTED of a horrible crime , PARTICULARLY INVOLVING CHILDREN. It's one of the saddest (and sickest) cases I've seen in awhile.
I have decided also, not to read the paper. I cancelled my subscription to the Houston Chronicle a while back. I do not watch the mainstream media news on the TV. If it were up to the liberal media, I'm almost certain they would repeal the death penalty. After all, some of the other states think Texas is pretty backward, and barbaric for still doing so.
Regards to all, Kathy
Lisa,
Yes, I am very familiar with the case, seeing I live in Texas. I feel EXACTLY LIKE YOU ! If anybody deserved to die it's those two! I believe in the death penalty when someone is CONVICTED of a horrible crime , PARTICULARLY INVOLVING CHILDREN. It's one of the saddest (and sickest) cases I've seen in awhile.
I have decided also, not to read the paper. I cancelled my subscription to the Houston Chronicle a while back. I do not watch the mainstream media news on the TV. If it were up to the liberal media, I'm almost certain they would repeal the death penalty. After all, some of the other states think Texas is pretty backward, and barbaric for still doing so.
Regards to all, Kathy
B
Bridgette
Yes, there are pictures of her online, smiling and laughing with her lawyers in court!! What I don't understand is how anyone could be a lawyer and defend someone like this woman - I know it's their job etc etc, but it would make me sick, I couldn't do it.
Mind you, I bet she's on Legal Aid and the lawyers defending her stand to make big bucks from this case - that's why they do it......
Mind you, I bet she's on Legal Aid and the lawyers defending her stand to make big bucks from this case - that's why they do it......
I ould totally agree that these people deserve the death penalty! Idon't think that the decision to have their crime become a death penalty case should not be the prosecutors choice. If they admit the crime that should be their "trial" after the confession is put on video , they should have to write out the crime in detail and be executed the next day at sunrise by they same method that they killed their child.
Lettitia
Lettitia
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geebee
It's not the big bucks (at least right now) - it's the publicity. They are having their names and faces splashed everywhere. What better advertising can you get?
Mom found guilty of murder in 'Baby Grace' case
Mom found guilty of murder in 'Baby Grace' case
A Texas woman accused of killing her toddler daughter and dumping the body in Galveston Bay has been found guilty of murder by a jury in Galveston, Texas.
Kimberly Dawn Trenor, 20, showed no emotion as the verdict was read late Monday. Trenor had pleaded guilty to tampering with evidence in the case, but pleaded not guilty to the capital murder charge.
She received a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
Mom found guilty of murder in 'Baby Grace' case
A Texas woman accused of killing her toddler daughter and dumping the body in Galveston Bay has been found guilty of murder by a jury in Galveston, Texas.
Kimberly Dawn Trenor, 20, showed no emotion as the verdict was read late Monday. Trenor had pleaded guilty to tampering with evidence in the case, but pleaded not guilty to the capital murder charge.
She received a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
LUVMyBirman
Well-known member
Just awful. Awful awful awful.
Hate to add to this thread. A local day care center employee (mind you) larger center, licensed, etc. Threw an 18 month old on a tile floor. The force was that of a drop from a second story fall. In a statement by the offender, the boy crawled over to get his blanket, was bleeding from his mouth and lied down and died. How tragic. He was a twin to boot.
How do we let this happen to our children? Sick sick people! If you need help because of the stress of caring for a child. You must ask!
Hate to add to this thread. A local day care center employee (mind you) larger center, licensed, etc. Threw an 18 month old on a tile floor. The force was that of a drop from a second story fall. In a statement by the offender, the boy crawled over to get his blanket, was bleeding from his mouth and lied down and died. How tragic. He was a twin to boot.
How do we let this happen to our children? Sick sick people! If you need help because of the stress of caring for a child. You must ask!
