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psalmist

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I am about a year and 2 months removed from surgery and I find that I have some good days and bad days still. No pain but just blah days where I feel under the weather and not much like doing stuff. I have been through my year check up and everything looked good. My doctor actually went through my ekg with me and remarked how good it looked. So I am wondering if it has some to do with depression. If so what are some things that you others have done to get over that hump??
 
Hi Seth.

I don't know. Maybe it's time for you to talk with your general practitioner and ask for some counseling. Sometimes they just throw meds at you and do not balance it with any counseling. I would strongly advise seeing someone professional before I started taking anything that might be prescribed for long term use.

That said, frankly I did not really feel like myself for 18 months after surgery. I don't know how to describe it really, except that I just knew I wasn't quite right yet. But it came. That me-ness. And then it went away for awhile, too, but that was due to a rather awful 6 months of experiencing the slow deterioration and death of my beloved father from Alzheimer's. Mostly due to the sadness of his passing in late May, I think I have been quite depressed from last May to about September. The end of that bout came when I was re-creating family movies into DVD's for potential Christmas gifts (they were a hit!!) and there he was, all alive and with us. Just hearing his voice was all I needed!

Then, of course I'm also going through menopause, which you are not! But what I'm driving at here is that you may have changed some. You may be closer to a place where emotional things take hold more vehemently than they did before. There may be a wound deep inside your emotion which got opened up with all the drugs and drama of this event. It may close back up and go away, or it may be something you need/want to investigate.

So I feel as if I am more susceptible, overall, to my emotions since surgery. Depressed? I think I am not chemically so, just prone to having to deal with things abit longer, that affect me.

If you cannot identify what is making your blah days pressure you (well, if there is no ill effect, why worry about them?) I would honestly go see a psychologist. I think I would wait to take any drugs until after a few sessions where you honestly feel like it might be something you could benefit from. I wouldn't jump right into drugs just because of how you have described things. I think you may just need a few more months to bounce back after the surgery.

FWIW.

Marguerite
 
Me-ness

Me-ness

I can relate to that. I definitely feel better. More constant if I could label it. I do know that I am not feeling me just yet. Closer though. Some parts of recovery have went fast and others at a snails pace. I would also say that as I get better and farther away from the ordeal I am dealing with some of the emotions that I did not know how to handle at the time. Thanks for the input.
 
Many find that Exercise helps with depression.
Do you have an aerobic exercise routine?
Just Walking a mile or two a day would help.

Another factor, especially above the Mason-Dixon line,
is Seasonal Affective Disorder (S.A.D.).

One of the treatments for SAD is to get out in the Sun each day (if/when the sun actually comes through the winter clouds in the midwest).

I believe Full Spectrum Lights can also be found to substitute for Sunlight. Try a Google Search to find them.

FWIW, It took me 18 months before I felt I have reached my 'full surgical benefit' and was back in shape and condition. Recovering from OHS is often a S-L-O-W process, much to our dismay.
 
I think that for many of us the OHS experience reminds us that we are not always in control and that we can be vulnerable. That was very hard for me to accept since I have been brought up differently. I'm not used to showing weakness and needing help.
BUT, it does get better....and it definitely goes in waves. Hang in there, Seth!
 
It took me a really long time to feel like "me" again.. I have undergone therapy in the past, and it was helpful, but for some reason in my case, not so much for post-surgery blues (though I would not advise against it). I found that as Al said, exercise is a huge factor in feeling better emotionally.Even now, if I get out of my routine and don't exercise, I will start feeling the blues. I find I just have to keep moving and somehow this helps. I am very adamant about working out, and my metal health is as much of a reason as my physical health. That is something that changed in me since the surgeries, and I just accept that unless something changes again, that is how I am now. My other advice is to be active in trying to find a solution to how you are feeling and don't beat yourself up about it. I know sometimes you can tell yourself, well it's been this long, I shouldn't feel this way.. but you do, so just deal with that and don't waste any time on how you should feel, but how you do feel so that you can be proactive in helping yourself feel better.

Also, back to exercise, I find that yoga is a great vehicle for getting through the mental trauma of having open heart surgery. The whole mind/body connection is very therapeutic, and there is a focus on your "heart center" which is very soothing, in my opinion.
 
Everyone has offered good suggestions. Think of possible depression in the same way we view valve replacement. The only wrong thing would to do nothing about it. God bless.
 
Many find that Exercise helps with depression.
Do you have an aerobic exercise routine?
Just Walking a mile or two a day would help.

Another factor, especially above the Mason-Dixon line,
is Seasonal Affective Disorder (S.A.D.).

One of the treatments for SAD is to get out in the Sun each day (if/when the sun actually comes through the winter clouds in the midwest).

I believe Full Spectrum Lights can also be found to substitute for Sunlight. Try a Google Search to find them.

FWIW, It took me 18 months before I felt I have reached my 'full surgical benefit' and was back in shape and condition. Recovering from OHS is often a S-L-O-W process, much to our dismay.

S.A.D. is a real disorder that is common in the wintertime due to lack of sunlite. I still have a "mood lite" stored away in a closet. As AlCapshaw says, exercise and sunlite (real or artificial) helps.

What you are feeling is not, at all, uncommon. It may be emotional due to your "loss" or it may be physical due to something like S.A.D. I'm pretty sure I've gone thru many physical and emotional problems at one time or another. It does get better. My advice is not to internalize this kind of problem. Use "self-help" forums, such as VR.com and/or seek professional help.
 
I think that for many of us the OHS experience reminds us that we are not always in control and that we can be vulnerable. That was very hard for me to accept since I have been brought up differently. I'm not used to showing weakness and needing help.
BUT, it does get better....and it definitely goes in waves. Hang in there, Seth!


I very much agree with Bina's comments

I am 11 months out and I have many more good days than bad however I do have some depression at times and it does come in waves for me too.
Earline
 
Seth, I find it hard to relate to having depression since heart surgery, as I have had it forever, but was only diagnosed (and medicated) about 12 - 15 years ago. I also have seasonal affective disorder (both run in the family, but I was first to get diagnosed and treated) and have a therapy lamp I use daily, 30 mins each morning, from fall equinox to spring equinox. Meds can help, it can take some time to figure out the right one, and talking to a professional can help, too. I also did cognitive behaviour therapy classes, and that was good, too. I can recommend a few good books, too, if you would like to start some exploring on your own.

Keep us posted!

http://www.northernlighttechnologies.com/splash.php

This is mine (from their own website, this is NOT me!!!):
 
I feel your pain. I try to exercise and find hobbies. I took up playing guitar and photography. I think, like it was said earlier after major surgery you lose your "aura of invinceability". It's a bit of a slap in the face to realize you have to trust someone else with your life. Hang in there it gets better.
 
"aura of invinceability" Geckley and whoever else said that have hit the nail on the head I think ? That's exactly what I had...And lost four weeks ago ! I hope it gets better for you soon Seth.. And for me too .
Ps. Maybe lose the lipstick too, clowns can be really depressing !?

Good luck,
Justin
 
The suggestions already mentioned are solid ones that can certainly help.

That being said, just discussing the issue like you have here is a positive step, too. The way you describe feeling seems quite common (based on comments here, in other threads, and my own experience), but it's not something that often gets dealt with effectively. Emotional effects aren't usually part of post-surgical care or cardiac rehab, after all.

Best wishes as you sort through this. Hope the strategies here can make a big difference for you.
 
I still deal with depression, too. Post OHS depression is hard, but at least expected to some extent, so you know ahead of time your battle and why it's happening. Follow the doctors' advice and take whatever light therapy, counseling, and medication necessary to at least tolerate this time. Also be sure to let others here know prayer requests and share your pain, so you don't feel alone. Believe it, we've been through lots of the same stuff.

God bless,

Chris
 
Seth--I'm definitely no expert, but had a couple of thoughts.
"just blah days where I feel under the weather and not much like doing stuff"--could this possibly be a regenerative phase?
You've had some big issues in the past year or so, seem to be a hard-working young man with a young family and a new involvement in running. Maybe you just need some non-engaged time. I used to think of it as 'submerging', a mental image of a hippo with just the eyes showing. If it spirals down into dark thoughts and not getting out of bed, it's one thing, but just having a slow day or two is nothing to reproach yourself with.
Also, several years ago I saw a counselor for a while. She recommended a book, Feeling Good, by David Burns, which may answer some of your questions.
Very best wishes,
Debby
 
Seth,been watching your posts and praying for you.

hope you have gotten some start on this for yourself,

the weathers been so blah today,all travel at standstill

and i'm ready for a sunlamp,like Jeanette suggested.

Dark and gloom has brought me down too,surgery cancellation

hasn't helped :rolleyes:

Look after yourself and keep in touch with us....continued prayers.

zipper2 (DEB)
 
I am four months post surgery, and the last ten days, I did not feel I was myself...several different emotions...feelings of uncertainty...fear whenever I feel something strange...I wonder about my new valves...am I going to be fine later! all these I did not feel before, but now since I have recovered from the pain of the recovery, I have time to think of these thigs and they put me down but I do not worry much because these emotions are not consistent. As you said, good days and bad days. If it becomes bad days and bad days, I would worry. I think that no matter how ready we may think we are for the surgery, yet it will have after-effects on us. Before my surgery despite the weakness and fatigue, I felt myself as my valves were my own valves, but now I have a foreign body/ies inside my heart. Thanks to God who granted great minds to peole to innovate these valves and I am grateful I am alive and feel much better than before and I keep counting my blessings when I see the less fortunates.

You shall be fine, Seth. Some people are sensitive and you may have subcontiously remembered the surgery on your anniversary and some of the unresolved emotions came out. Keep focussing on the positive things in your life; and as it was mentioned earlier by all the wonderful members here, I hereby repeat it, try to give some time to SETH, go out with friends who share similar hobbies, or pick on a new hobby, exercise, and keep thinking of how wonderful it is to be there for your family.:)
 
Depression and, like, Mortality!

Depression and, like, Mortality!

Like I was telling my second wife, facing one's mortality, as one does tends to do with OHS, can be, like, metaphysical, with significant psycho-spiritual and philosphical aftereffects. I think it inevitably alters one's outlook, whether for better or for worse I can't say, or maybe it goes beyond better and worse to the cosmic zone or to misery, depression, or whatever.. I usually prefer to stay in the physical dimension since this is murky terrain and is probably beyond language. The mysteries of life and the universe are simply mysterious.

In Wittgenstein's immortal words: "In Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen."

Translated: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."

Amen. About 16 months after my AVR surgery, I couldn't believe how depressed I was feeling. I googled my heart medications and found that Metoprolol has been found in some studies to be linked to major depression, but there is no scientific concensus. I told my GP, who set me up for a Psycho-evaluation. He prescribed an anti-depressant and said it had to accompany either 1-on-1 talk therapy or group therapy. I chose the group version and it has been amazing -- very, very helpful. It consists of several other heart and cancer patients, all folks who had faced or were facing death, and it has been a great thing for me. We wax metaphysical quite often. But what actually got me thinking about all this today was a strange tale that I found somewhere recently. I guess it is unusual, but here it is below:


How I became a clown


I was feeling perplexed and uncomfortable. There's a period of depression and despair that follows a life-threatening event like heart surgery, a bereftness of spirit that doesn't happen suddenly or right away but creeps up on you after several months of recovery, when there is no longer any doubt that you've made it through the ordeal and are going to live. You've beaten the reaper, faced down death, and in the process of doing that you invested an extra value into your existence that it didn't have before. You feel that your life must really be worth living, since otherwise there would be no point in going through the difficulty of a hospital stay and major surgery. Only when your health improves and you start feeling normal again do you come to suspect that this higher value is inflated and that your newly found faith is just a temporary religion that helped you survive the ordeal, because life returns to be no more than it was, and it's full of pain and ambiguity and discomfort and might not even be worth living at all depending on how you choose to live it. It is a sorrowful realization that might take on a tragic dimension, similar in magnitude to a devastating loss of religious faith. You feel cheated of the shining value you imagined and that was your reason to go on fighting, and the reality seems paltry by comparison.

I missed the passion I had felt so strongly and I set out to find it in a dream. I climbed the mountain for a consultation with the Master, who looked exactly like Wayne Dyer with a beard and, in fact, was Wayne Dyer with a beard. Sitting in the dirt at his knees, I asked him what to do. "I don't know," he began. "Do you like bowling?" I told him that I did not. "How about baseball?" Again I answered in the negative. With long, serpentine fingers that reminded me of photos I'd seen of the hands of Osama Bin Laden, he combed through his explosively blossoming beard. "I see that you are not a sportsman," he mumbled finally with unconcealed disappointment. "No," I agreed, "apparently not." He exhaled in a long and weary sigh, then got up from his rock to rearrange his robes and consider how to address my profound spiritual and philosophical predicament without loss of prestige or potential future income. As he paced nervously back and forth in the small cave, I emptied my mind of distraction and focused my psychic energy on the problem at hand. I felt sorry that I wasn't a sports fan since it would have made his job so much easier and I wanted to be helpful to his ruminations, though I couldn't suppress a persistent feeling of unease at how different he looks on TV.

"I have it!" he suddenly shouted, leaping into the air with his eyes blazing like Ken Kesey's on LSD as described by Tom Wolf in The Electric Koolaid Acid Test. "You should put on a clown suit and play the accordion for the amusement of wealthy east-side uptowners!"

"That's brilliant, oh thank you Master!" I replied with heartfelt enthusiasm and gratitude and, as my feet flew without effort back down the mountain trail to the crystaline city, I felt a lightness of heart that I hadn't experienced since the surgeon temporarily removed it from my chest. Firm in my new resolve, I proceeded to follow the wise directives of the Master.

The clown suit was easily taken care of since, luckily for me, Macy's was having a 2-for-the-price-of-1 BIG SALE on clown apparel the following weekend. The accordion, however, was another matter entirely, since I realized that it was necessary for me to learn how to play the damned thing. I bought a beginner's book with training video, but I couldn't seem to acquire the actual instrument because I got hung up on the question of whether to get one with buttons or piano keys. I was inclined toward buttons since I have never managed to conquer an old childhood fear of piano keyboards, but I also understood that a basic familiarity with the intervals between black and white keys forms a foundation for an almost unlimited range of musical experience. The decision is not dissimilar to that of choosing between learning Norwegian or Japanese. Which language would be more useful? In the end I was unable to finally make up my mind and, after another agonized period of indecision, the whole accordion/clown thing just sort of drifted away, leaving behind a remorseful feeling of yet another path not taken, a tributary not followed, a passionate ambition not pursued and a life not fully lived.

On the positive side, the clown suit fits me perfectly. I've thrown out all my other outfits, and people tell me I look pretty good in polka dots.
 
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hello seth

the last post from you that i remember reading concerned your job loss shortly after surgery; obviously that did not assist your on going recovery.

hopefully you are now settled in a good job and are really happy in your work; otherwise the cause of your problem maybe obvious.

anyway, you have a lovely young son to keep you motivated and going.

remember, time is a great healer, good luck.
 

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