AVR Surgery June 10th

[Ross]

My date has at last been set. Monday June 10th.

This has been long and drawn out already. I don't really know how I feel. I've been tense for 7 months now, so I don't know how much more tense I can get.

Perry, things better go well. I hope to beat my shirt order home. ;)

[Perrster]

Ross,

More than likely you will. Your order is in the works and your check is in the mail, so all you have to do is relax (yeah, right!) well, try to relax. Best of luck to you with your impending procedure, Ross.

We'll be thinkin' about you and sayin' lots of prayers for you.

Regards,

[Nancy]

Hi Ross-

Finally they have a date for you. I'm glad for you because it means that you'll be feeling much better after some healing, and I also understand full well how you must be feeling, having been through lots of things about a bazillion times with Joe.

I can only say that I'll be thinking of you and praying for you that these coming weeks aren't too tense. I think when there is lots of stress, the only thing you really can do is to put it right back where it belongs, on your surgeon's shoulders. Let him worry about things now, that's his job. Your job is to prepare whatever has to be prepared, try to get some positive thinking in and know that you have many, many friends here who care about you and are also praying for you.

[Ron K]

Hi Ross,

Well, at least one more detail has been pinned down. Now you have a date. That should make things a little easier as far as planning and preparations go. You have almost a month to get ready.

It helps to focus on how well you're going to feel when the procedure is over. The surgery isn't as painful as you imagine it will be, and the recovery will go okay. You're young enough and resourceful enough to handle any obsticles you may encounter. You've picked a good surgeon at a good hospital, so you should get excellent care. And don't ever forget that you have loads of friends and helpers here.

I wish you the best on June 10th and a smooth recovery afterward.

Ron K

[Scottie]

well done on getting a date ...as we are both waiting here .I feel I do know exactly how you are feeling ...if you get done before me ..which it now looks like you will you will need to come back and tell me all about it ...promise ?...in return I promise to be thinking and praying about you in the lead up to and during your op ....
what kind of practical things are you doing to prepare
a. for yourself ?
b. for your home?
and have you thought about what you are going to take into hospital with you ?
We live about 6 hrs away from my hospital ..but I've really no idea what to take with me when my call comes .
Take care and get plenty rest
oh by the way I had my first golf lesson last Friday night ...I've decided to take up golf when I am the new me LOL...my family think this is really funny ..as the men in my life are serious golfers LOL
love Scottie

[sylviayasgur]

hi ross!
well, you've got your date set, how wonderful! i remember joey and i thinking of it as just one more item crossed off our
list. now for the wait.....even though having a date makes it feel so real and scary, june 10th will be here before you know it and the whole thing will be behind you in no time. in some ways it gives us closure.
in the meantime, we will keep you company while you await your date.
please try and stay positive and busy.
be well, sylvia

[Ross]

Thank all of you. You know it's highly appreciated.

I already know I'm in for a tough time. Having had a total hip replacement, lung disease and now this, it's almost a given, that I'm going to have some rough bumps to go over. Rehab isn't going to be easy, but eh. This is where I need all of YOU!

Scottie: If all goes well, you bet I'll be telling you about it. I promise!

what kind of practical things are you doing to prepare
a. for yourself ?

Live life each day until surgery. I've got my Living Will, Power of Attorney, and Will all updated, just in case things go catastrophically wrong. Given what I've been told by the surgeons, this is not an unrealistic idea and anyone going through this type of surgery should have that anyway.
Doing a whole lot of praying for others and myself.

b. for your home?

I'm looking around for a good used recliner or someone I can borrow one from and getting the carpets cleaned. I need somewhere to sleep and I don't want to be sneezing my head off when I come home. Everything else seems to be in order. I don't have any steps to deal with, so that's not a problem.

c. and have you thought about what you are going to take into hospital with you ?

My standard surgical warfare items, God, loose fitting pj's, skin conditioner, shaver, No Rinse Shampoo, paper and pens/pencils, legal documents and anything else I can think of that I'll really need. I'm open for suggestions here because I'm bound to forget something!

At this point in time, I have no one to post on my behalf, so please don't get too excited if you don't hear anything about how it went. I'll try to teach my wife how to do these things, but she's not a computer person and has a real hard time seeing the screen. Between her job and visitation, I'm sure her time will be very limited.

Can you people think of other things that I'm forgetting?

[Johnny Stephens]

Ross, I completely understand your feelings, I felt the same way. Before I had a date, I was all gung-ho to get it nailed down so I could get on with it. Then, once I actually got it, it was "well, er, ok, I guess." I felt like somebody was calling my bluff, LOL.

It sounds to me like you are hooked up with a good group of doctors, and I'm sure you'll pull through just fine. I will certainly be thinking of you and sending healing thoughts your way.

[Ross]

Johnny, you hit the nail on the head with this:

"Then, once I actually got it, it was "well, er, ok, I guess." I felt like somebody was calling my bluff, LOL."

That is it exactly.
Part of me wants to run far, far away, and the other wants this to be over as soon as possible.

[Bill Hall]

Ross - I wanted to wish you good luck with the surgery. You look like a young guy for all those other problems. Bring a pack of cards for solitaire when you are stuck in bed. Mindless game that helps pass time when needed. I will be thinking of you on the 10th.

[Nancy]

Hi Ross-

Joe found having a small chair in the shower was very convenient. Even if he didn't sit on it, he could hold onto the back if he got dizzy or weak. I found a perfect armless, all plastic folding chair, that's pretty sturdy. It took a little looking around to find it, but you have some time to try to get one.

If you have any allergy to tape, make sure to tell everyone about it. I found that Joe always has some kind of eye inflammation when he has surgery, and I finally figured out that he's allergic to the tape that they put on your eyes to keep them closed during surgery. Just in case, also bring some moiturizing eye drops, like Bausch and Lomb Moisture Eyes. The oxygen near your eyes also irritates them.

Don't forget to bring a robe, so your not flapping in the breeze when walking down the hall. Somehow, the laundry always forgets to deliver robes to the floor.

Type up a list of your current meds to have in your room with you. That way you can make sure that you are getting all of your needed meds after surgery. This has always been the time when meds inadvertently get left out, and sometimes permanently. The doctors are supposed to refer to your PAT med list, but things do not always go as they're supposed to.

[Ross]

Thanks Bill

I was 29 when I started having lung problems, 33 when I had my first Open Heart Surgery and 36 when I had my hip replaced, thanks to the steroids they had me on to treat the lung disease.
Don't let anyone tell you that steroids don't do some nasty things!
I'm 40 now, wow, and still going.

Nancy

Thanks for the ideas. Some of that stuff I do have. The eye drops, I think I'll write that one down now, as I do remember having dry itchy eyes before. I'm wondering though, do I really need a robe? If I walk up and down the hallways enough in my "Modesty out the window" mode, won't they release me sooner? :D

[Nancy]

It all depends, Ross:p

[hensylee]

Hey Ross - well, you are on the path now heading towards the mountain and you have lots of hands touching yours as you go.

Didn't know you had a hip replacement and lung disease. How did you fare with the replacement? Interested to know as I have some bone loss in hip - 36% and 25% is the cutoff for possible fx.

One thing you can do for us is to tell us where you will be and we can check up on you ourselves, since there's not anyone to tell us. I recently had a cousin in hosp for bypass and I could email her every day. We could do that with you (and others), too. If we call the hosp they won't give us any particulars, but would at least tell us that you made it through and what grade your condition is.

Sounds like you have all else in order. I got all my affairs in order, too - something I had put off much to the chagrin of my children. Now it's all done from then on.

Oh - one other thing...don't sneeze after surgery! Evil, evil, evil.

[Ross]

Well, the hip replacement was no fun, but then again, neither was not being able to walk. High dose Prednisone, for 5 years, is to blame for the femoral head death, in my case. This thing isn't anything for distance walking or extreme exercise, and the kids absolutely love it, because I can't run and catch them, but I'm mobile and can get around to do the things I need to do, like short strolls through the grocery store etc, I can't do the shopping malls though, the socket tires pretty quickly and then things get a bit painful.

As for the hospital: There web site address and etc.

http://www.aultman.com/

Aultman Hospital
2600 Sixth St. SW
Canton, Ohio 44710
(330)452-9911
Patient Information (330) 452-9911

And about those evil sneezes. I remember them from the last time around. That's why I'm cleaning the carpets and getting as much dust and stuff out of this house before I go.

I absolutely hate those instantaneous, rapid fire in a row, sneezes! ;)

[hensylee]

c uttin and pastin in my saver folder and my calendar - Thanks for all the hip info. I injured the bursa in rt hip last Sept and what pain. Now left one acting like it could do the same. I get up, it catches, I go "UNH" and bend back & forth to release the catch and the children first get concerned, then chuckle.

[Mb]

Dear Ross:

I would add the following:

a. bring a pillow - you might need it to hug to your chest

b. If at all possible, have your wife take the time off from work when you are in the hospital. I can't tell you how glad I am that I did. We own our own construction business, but all of our employees bent over backwards to fill in the gap for three weeks.
When you are first out of ICU, you are still very very weak. I would quietly arrive at the hospital between 6:00 and 7:30 AM, to help him with breakfast. Believe it or not, the effort of just preparing his tray, just tuckered him out. Many small tasks, helping, can be done by your SO that makes it SO much easier.
I often helped the elderly gentlemen in his room doing the same thing. Imagine your coffee on the tray, and housekeeping forgot the sugar. By the time you get someone to find some for you, the coffee is way cold.

c. The last thing....recliner. This is a really important item for your comfort when you come home. Many years had I resisted getting one in the house, for fear my husband would never get out of it. This site suggested the recliner, we bought one, and even now, he enjoys it so much. It almost gives him "permission" to really relax.

We are all confident that you will make it out of the surgery, and have an entire "new" life in front of you. We will pray for you daily, until your safe return to this site.

Wayne and Marybeth

[hensylee]

My nurse cousin came from Texas to help me. She arrived just after surgery while I was still in ICU, took a motel room near the hospital, was with me every single day to help me out - then took me to her house til I was able to come to my own home. So, it's really good if you are able to have your wife with you, at least at first. Second Marybeth's suggestion.

[zlever]

WELL AT LAST YOU HAVE A DATE! I'M SURE AT THIS POINT YOU ARE RELIEVED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME FULL OF MIXED EMOTIONS. MY FAMILY AND I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK IN YOUR DAYS PRIOR TO SURGERY AND OF COURSE THE DAY AND DAYS AFTER THE SURGERY. YOU HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP TO MANY OF US ON THIS SITE AND WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU IN ANY WAY WE CAN RIGHT NOW. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR CONTINUED POST'S PRIOR TO SURGERY AND AFTER SURGERY. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ROSS, I KNOW EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT JUST FINE! ZACK

[Ross]

I really don't know what I would do with out all of you!

When I first came here, I was scared and upset, because I knew no one that I could talk to about this and get an intelligent answer. If any of you have talked to someone who hasn't been there and done that, you know what I mean. They treat this whole ordeal like your getting your tonsils out or something and really haven't a clue what your going through. I was feeling really outcast and down, maybe like I was the only one with the problem even though I knew better. I really needed a group of people such as all of you.

Thank you one and all and a special thank you to Hank, for having a vision turn into a reality. It is a service that is invaluable as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry to be a ham, but I love you all so much that I don't know any other way to express it.

[RobThatsMe]

Hi Ross,

I liked Janies suggestions. Flowers to the nurses station...! I bet that will get ya some sweet attention, and help with #3! I hated to be wokeup and checked in the wee hours of the morning. Putting you last on the list may give you somemore quality sleep time.

I will be putting those on my list if I ever have to go back in the hospital for any reason.

I had a pillow, and like everyone says, get one. It really should be concidered a neccessity. I already had a recliner in the room, so that helped. My wife spent almost all of her time with me, except for when I was in ICU, they only let her visit for 15 min every 2 hours. But, her parents somehow, found a back door to the ICU and dropped by for a visit. That was a laugh for all of us!

My wife also asked that friends not send flowers, they clutter the room real fast, then you have to cart them all out. Instead she asked that if they wanted to send something to send teddy bears. I had a room full, and I stil have them. The hospital is building a new childrens wing, and I am donating them to the new section when it is completed. There are a few that I want to keep though, Like the bouncing Tigger! Wooo Hooo Hooo hooo!

Well, as tigger would say,TTFN

Rob

[sylviayasgur]

hi ross!
i have very little to add to everyone's fabulous and thorough suggestions.....
some hospitals provide the "heart pillows", others don't. my dad got one from his hospital, but joey had to bring his own. you may want to make a call or ask the surgeon's office, so you don't take along any unnecessary "luggage".
the flowers to the nurse's station is a wonderful idea... we did that and they were soooo appreciative. also, when people sent baskets of food (nuts and dried fruit, muffins, cookies) we _joey had no appetite and i didn't want to be dragging dozens of muffins home_ also offered those to the nurses. they loved that because they left the basket out so that each shift could have some. they were very attentive and kind to begin with (ofcourse some nicer than others) , but maybe those goodies helped (if anything it showed them how appreciative we were of their attentiveness).
it helped joey a lot to have me there all the time, i helped change his pj's and helped make his bed, and take him around. basically, they loved having me there to do everything a private nurse would do...
one of the biggest plusses though, was that joey had no appetite and i was able to go across the street to the deli and food marts to get snacks and ice pops or whatever i thought he' d eat_ it helped a lot and that's how he started eating again... ice pops, crackers, soup, muffins/rolls, sandwiches. (he hated the hospital food)
if there's anything else we can do to help you or your wife, please let us know.
can't think of anything else right now...
oh, your glasses.... joey is blind without them and told the surgical team ahead of time that he wanted them put back on immediately after surgery so he wouldn't feel disoriented upon awakening. they were great about that and it was truly a big deal for him.
we will be here with you as long as you need us to...
all will be fine, you'll see.
God bless and be well,
sylvia

[Scottie]

Well aren't we glad we asked ...I found that list of suggestions very helpful ....one question for the ladies ..what kind of pjs or nightdresses did you take ..em sorry Ross ...
Ross ..you are right ...no one "outside"has any real idea what heart surgery is like ..someone the other day said you must be looking forward to it ...12 weeks off work !!!....they seem to view it as a holiday ! GRRRRR!!!!! so this place is wonderful ...Thanks once again Hank !!!!
I hope you can take your wife Ross ...my Hubby is coming with me ..we have sorted out the kids ...and the two older ones are delighted to have been given some responsibility ...My youngest child is the most worried ...she is really scared I'm going to die ...it can be hard to reassure her without making promises I can't keep ..
anyway ...I'm watching you carefully Ross ...take care
Scottie

[Zipper]

Well...you both have received very good suggestions. I'll be praying for the Best of medical care for you both and calm nerves beforehand!!!!

Now..about the PJ's..LOL! what??? ya don't like those lovely hospital gowns...LOL! I took light weight/soft Pj's..Be sure the top is not pullover..and the bottoms do not have elastic at the ankles. Guys or gals can take sweats for bottoms. A bedjacket for gals can be helpful to put on over your lovely hospital gown..HeeHee. They give you non-skid socks...but comfy slippers are nice to have. What you wear to the hospital can be worn home..so I'd say that choice should be very comfortable clothing. I wore sweats..found them to be cozy.

Take care...try not to worry to much...if you need help with that..ask your Doc..sometimes xanax or something similiar helps there. Laugh alot if possible..it's good for you, and you'll limit it after surgery for a bit...

Gabby, ain't I...*~*

Zipper/Joan

[Granbonny]

Hi Ross, I won't forget your surgery date because it is my birthday..I will be age 62 young..Today, I celebrate my 8th week post surgery..I wish you the best..I am so happy I found this web site..Everyone is so helpful. I know you will be just fine..Will remember to e-mail you in hospital...Bonnie

[Ross]

Thanks again everyone.

I don't know that there is any internet access at this hospital, but I'm sure going to check into it when I can.

My wifes employer is the next bump in the road. It turns out that she doesn't have enough hours in for family medical leave and likewise for any vacation time. If it's not one thing, it's another.
I don't know how this is going to work out just yet. All I can say is that they better be flexible.

Trying to find a recliner is fun also. I may have to break down and rent one or see if the Doc can do something for me along those lines.

Oh well, whatever doesn't get done, simply doesn't. I'm not going to drive myself crazy over it.

[hensylee]

Ross, I never did use a recliner. Relied on pillows in bed for ease. If uneasy, I just got up, made coffee and watched TV but always slept in bed. You will find your own comfort spot (Janie, did you ever find your spot) and whatever makes you feel best is good. If your wife cannot come with you, not to worry, there's a team there who is in/out of your room all the time and you always have that little button to push. They will keep you very busy most of the time. And when you get home, you will find stuff in the fridge put there just for you during your hours by yourself and you will do just fine. God bless

[Nancy]

Hi Ross-

Joe never used a recliner either. We have a soft sectional and he sat there quite a bit of the time, watching TV and dozing. If you can't find a recliner reasonably, maybe just get a foot stool or hassock to put your feet up on. It's better than dangling them down. By the way, when you're in the hospital, ask them for TEDs stockings. I think they're a big help, especially after surgery when you might have extra fluid. They're expensive so if insurance can pay for it, that's good.


I do so hope your wife can make some arrangements with her job. I'm sure it will be extremely hard for her and you too, if she can't be there with you. But you'll either be walking, going for xrays and stuff, being stuck with needles, eating, sleeping or otherwise being in la-la land anyway, so you'll have a very full plate.

[Ross]

I Hate Needles!!! Make em stop already. :D

Lyn has spoken with her employer and even though she hasn't got the necessary time in, they've agreed to let her have up to 4 weeks off. I know that's longer then necessary and we couldn't afford for her to be off that long anyway. At least I know I'll have a spokesperson on my behalf. When things go wrong with me, they really go wrong.

Our problem with furniture is that it's all ancient and low to the ground, not to mention practically destroyed by kids and cats. Once the boys move out, we are getting something new for a change. We've hung on to most of this stuff for 22 years and you can use your imagination to determine how decent this stuff is. I'll figure something out. Anything at home is better then the hospital bed!

I have a pair of those Jobst stockings around here somewhere. I had a heck of a time getting them on and they are the correct size or should I say were. If I need others, I'm sure they get them lined up for me.

Now, the only thing I need to do is, get someone to go in my place. :p

[Zipper]

LOL! Ross...no volunteers, eh?

I didn't use a recliner...I learned to 'roll' on and off the bed..it worked at home and I was glad to be in my own bed. Lots of pillows really helped, too.

Take care,

Zipper

[sylviayasgur]

hi ross!
joey didn't use a recliner either. we had this chair that leaned back a bit and had a footstool. that was the important part, elevating his feet.
would you consider putting some pillows on the low chairs in order to elevate them a bit? also, tons and tons of pillows on the bed!
i think you get it, no? good luck and don't worry. it's easy to "make-shift" comfortable spots at home.
i think it's wonderful that your wife will be able to be with you for awhile. i remember it helping, mostly joey (to cheer him up, fend off calls, etc)
wishing you all the best. we'll be right here with you.
-sylvia

[ILoVeNY25]

Hi Ross,

I hope all goes well for you and wish you all the best. You will be in my thoughts and prayers leading up to and following June 10th. I know you'll do fine. I had my brother-in-law bring up my recliner from the living room into my room and I never used it but it came in handy when people came to visit me, But one thing I did use and came in very handy was a bed wedge, I bought it at a local drug store for under $20 and it really helped the first couple of weeks. Good luck and you'll soon be on your way to recovery!

[Don]

Hi Ross,
Thanks for the input on the Prednisone. My PCP just gave a prescription for 9 - 20 mg Prednisone (no refills) for some concern he had listening to my chest when I went to see him for a nasty head cold I caught 4 weeks after my surgery, have had for two weeks now, and still have. The MD is a cautious guy and I'm sure he won't let me abuse any medication. If the cold happened any sooner, I'm not sure I could have handled the coughing and sneezing.
I was so tensed up prior to my surgery that I told only immediate family about it since I was almost certain I would panic and run just prior to my scheduled surgery time and didn't want to look too foolish. I'm not sure what happened. I certainly did not find courage. I think that two or three days prior to my scheduled time, I just got tired of worrying about it and went into a mental mode of wanting to get it over with -- quick.
My sincere best wishes and prayers for your forthcoming adventure. You will do fine. Let me know how I can help. Your surgeon has an excellant reputation. And Cleveland Clinic certainly knows what it is doing in the heart department.
Don
AVR 4/12/2002; Dr. Cosgrove at Cleveland Clinic; bovine valve; doing well

[Ross]

Hey Nicole, thanks for adding a face to put with the writing. :)

Don, as long as it's a limited duration treatment with prednisone, you should be fine. They had me on High Dose 40-60mg once a day for 5 years. Some of those times, they were pumping it in through an I.V. to stop the lung bleeding. Needless to say, that's where my bone problems started. Once I had my hip replaced, they took me off of it and figure that it's turned against me and is no longer doing anything beneficial.

The hospital this time, is not going to be the Cleveland Clinic. I'm staying local. The surgeon however, is a transplant from Cleveland and jokes about being Dr. McCarthy's senior by 6 months. I like him. He's a straight forward, no holds barred, tell it like it is type of Doc, though sometimes I wish he wouldn't tell it like it is.

[Zipper]

Hey Ross...I was just put on Prednizone...for 3 days..swelling in the neck/shoulder/trapezoid area.... read that short term would be ok..hmmm...don't like taking it...tried Vioxx...INR went goofy..Glad I have my home tesing ProTime now...I'll be watchin it closely!!!!

Zip

[starkone]

help...I don't know how to post a question>
Can you direct me?
K

[hensylee]

Go to bottom of this page, find thread options, click on it and select a category and it then go and it will bring up the categories or go to the top of the page - click on ValveReplacement.com Forums and the forums will come up. Select one of the subjects, click and it will bring up that category. Click on 'New thread" and it will open a space for you to type. When done scroll down and 'submit'. Then we'll all read it - or just post where you are and it will appear with all the 'view new posts' and we will find it. Don't worry, we'll get it. Welcome to VR. God bless:)

[Jennie]

So are you having the "Ross" Procedure??!! hee hee hee hee (sorry!) :p

Well, you are pencilled in my book for special prayers on June 10th and beyond - and before too, for that matter! The worst will soon be over, and hopefully the surgery will be easy compared to all the waiting and worry. Hang in there, buddy!!

Regarding what to bring to the hospital: I was ready for anything, but hardly touched any of it (partly because I couldn't lug my bag out by myself!) But, in retrospect, I would pack less, and just take the following:

1) comfy clothes to wear home from the hospital (I wore TO the hospital the outfit that I planned to wear home, and brought some clean wears plus some spare wears)
2) notebook and pen to take notes as needed - VERY glad I had this.
3) toothbrush, toothpaste, DENTAL FLOSS!! (I am picky about my toothbrush, don't like it too hard, and I forgot floss, and they were out of it at the hospital, and I was going nuts until a nurse donated me some from her purse!)

This, really and truly, is all I needed.

Huggy pillows, given to me by friends, came in handy at home, for sleeping and when laughing too hard! But there was one for my use in the hospital. CD player was nice, but I didn't use it that much. All other toiletries were provided by the hospital, including a comb. Scottie: As far as gowns, robes, slippers: they gave me all that - a clean gown after my shower every day, a robe so there was no "flapping in the wind" when I was cruising the halls, white stockings to prevent clots, and little sockies with rubber grippies on the bottom. Granted, I wasn't looking my BEST during this time, but frankly, I didn't CARE where my mascara was! Phone numbers? They could call me. And Janie's idea of turning off the phone - I used that on various occasions, particularly when needing a nap. They will call back later!

I borrowed a recliner, have used it for a month now, but have been taking naps on the couch with a bunch of pillows. A few nights ago I couldn't get to sleep (in the recliner), and made the command decision to abandon it altogether in favor of the couch for night-time sleep as well. And tonight, I may just try the bed! I mean, the recliner is nice for keeping me on my back with my chest flat so I don't smush it up during sleep, and for keeping me propped up for easier breathing and easier getting up and down. But, with the couch, I can sort of sleep on my side easier.... If you can get a recliner, I certainly think it would help during the first few weeks, but if not, get a bunch of pillows, head for the couch, and you'll be okay!

Anyway, Ross, you go man! You'll be fine, you'll be just fine, and we're all with you here. And you too, Scottie!!!!

-Jennie

[Ross]

....but I wanted to go stag?

Nancy and I discussed this and I'm wondering if I'm seen streaking (Not running mind you) down the hallways, maybe they'll let me leave sooner. :D

[hensylee]

Not to worry, Ross - they won't let you out til they are ready - besides, everybody else is flapping up and down the halls - it even gets crowded at times and you are too busy watching your step to bother even looking at any of them. LOL